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G'morning David... DW> But the first pair of results are nothing like yours. When the Total DW> area is 36 cm^2, you calculated the Triple area to be 1.15 cm^2, and DW> the inter-centre separation to be equal to the radius. My program DW> calculates the Triple area to be 7.3 cm^2, and the inter-centre DW> separation to be 1.14 times the radius. DW> It looks like you made a slip somewhere. Probably... it's now obvious to me that the problem-setter MUST have used set algebra to pose the question, because there's no easy way to construct a possible answer AND THEN measure it's outcomes. (Just measuring outcomes is interesting. Ask a school student to draw two overlapping circles of 20cm^2 each so that the overlap covers exactly 9cm^2 and see how he fares. Better still, determine how the marker will confirm the result ....) The differences you mention above are those between the logic of the algebra (which presumes no restraint of location, no matter how the problem is worded) - and the logic of geometry.... Case 1 - Setting the total area to 36 Thrice coverage - set logic = 1.18, geo-prog = 7.3 and my eyeballing a scribble = 5ish. Case 2 - Setting thrice to 3 Total coverage - set logic = 50.9, geo-prog = 44.2 and my eyeballing the new scribble gives up. I've had a look at all of the integral variations set logic permits with a total of 36 and size 20 circles, and checked with enough physical rendering to show that none of them can actually be drawn - because of the above differences between set logic and geometric restraint. However, I can see that there will be examples that do show full agreement between the two modes. For quick example, let there be 3 circles of 20cm^2 each, overlapping so that the area covered by all 3 is exactly 4.48693cm^2 - and so that the total area covered by any circle is 41.0268cm^2. The area covered by any two circles alone can now be calculated by either set logic or geometry to arrive at a common answer - but only by careful contrivance. I think we can now insist that using set logic to pose a geometric problem is most unlikely to produce a drawable solution. I predict that this teacher probably copied the problem from somewhere else in good faith, and that the real author worked from set logic using integers to create a monster that cannot exist on a flat surface as might be claimed. I also predict that the original problem-setter expected the solution to be by way of the algebra, especially when the difficulty of measuring geometric solutions is taken into account. Phew.... :-) ___ MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.45 --- Maximus/2 3.01* Origin: === Maxie BBS. Ak, NZ +64 9 444-0989 === (3:772/1) SEEN-BY: 633/267 270 @PATH: 772/1 140/1 106/2000 633/267 |
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