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from: `bluesmama` onebluesmama
date: 2005-04-04 21:04:00
subject: Re: Man-Hate At The University Of New Hampshire

Hyerdahl wrote:
> bluesmama wrote:
> > Ben wrote:
> > > Hyerdahl wrote:
> > > > Ben wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hyerdahl wrote:
> > > > > > Deborah Terreson wrote:
> > > > > > > In article
> > > 
> > > > ,
> > > > > > > "Hyerdahl"
 wrote:
> >  
> > > > > > > > Prove it, "Deb".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ooop. Here comes the quotation marks
around my name
> again...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's right;  I'd need proof of your
sex/gender as well,
if
> > you
> > > > want
> > > > > > those marks off, dear.
> > >
> > > You should probably be reminded that being a man isn't a mark
> against
> > > someone.
> >
> > I have to agree with you, Ben, being a man isn't a mark against
> anyone.
>
>
> I also agree with both of you on that.

How can you say that, when you've talked about men being the "other"
the way you have?

> > Unless by calling that person a man you call her femininity into
> > question. Then it's "defeminizing" and it is an epithet.
> >
>
> 'Deb' is a cockpuppet of Dave Sim, IMO.  Ben is free to think
> otherwise.

Just as you are free to sling epithets at her, and I am to comment on
it. Or sling epithets at him, if you prefer, and if it even matters.
Frankly, your Dave Sim cockpuppet routine is getting old, and I haven't
even been here that long. It just takes away from the valid arguments
you do have.

> > Just as being a woman isn't a mark against anyone - unless his
> > masculinity is being called into question, in which case it's
> > "emasculating" and it is an epithet.
>
> Exposing someone as being a sockpuppet of another is hardly an
> "epithet" nor is it emasculating.  I never called 'Deb's masculinity
> into question.  :-)  It's just a matter of exposure.  :-)  You may
> notice that I don't care whether or not people see me as male or
> female.

We'll have to disagree on the epithet thing, but as far as emasculation
goes, I didn't accuse you of that. I was merely offering a balance to
the first comment, about defeminizing. I'm all about balance, most of
the time, anyway.

> I'd much rather be judged by the content of my words than by what's
> between my legs.

Wouldn't we all. Well, maybe, maybe not. Depends on the person, I
suppose, less than it does on the sex of the person.



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