In article , dg411{at}FreeNet.Carleton.CA
says...
>
> "geopelia" (phildoran{at}xtra.co.nz) writes:
> > "Mark Borgerson"  made
more absurd claims in
> message news:MPG.1cbb771899c30fa898973f{at}news.comcast.giganews.com...
> >> In article ,
dg411{at}FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> >> says...
> >> >
> >> > "geopelia" (phildoran{at}xtra.co.nz) proved more
military ignorance:
> >> > > "Mark Borgerson"
 slurped in message
> >> > > news:MPG.1cbb5ae0547ca39f98973e{at}news.comcast.giganews.com...
> >> > >> In article ,
dg411{at}FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> >> > >> says...
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > "J" (janderson_ishere{at}yahoo.com) writes:
> >> > >> > >> No, they join the Home Guard in a
war. "Dad's Army". No doubt
> >> > >> > >> if invasion is threatened again
we will have a "Mum's Army" as
> >> > >> > >> well.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > " No doubt ", indeed, well,
among people who know AbZero about the
> >> > >> > actual military.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > For those with a Polaroid of a clue, well,
we know that the
> >> > >> > training that people need to be able to
competantly operate
> >> > >> > modern military hardware isn't something
that a 45 year old
> >> > >> > can deal with, or that can be learned in a month.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I don't think that the technology of small arms
and anti-tank
> >> > >> weapons has changed that much since WWII---when
45-year-old
> >> > >> home guards were used in England.   You're not
going to be
> >> > >> strapping those home guards into fighter aircraft or the
> >> > >> gunner's position of an M1A2.
> >> >
> >> > Big Daddy Sir Galahad WomenFirster Borgerson apparently is so
> >> > brain rotted, that he CANNOT tell the difference between a topic
> >> > concerning *now*, and historical periods whose weapons and tactics
> >> > are, well... *obsolete*.
> >> >
> >> > Well, he just proved a total ignorance of issues of the *modern*
> >> > military...
> >> >
> >> > Idiots like him ought to stick to watching " JAG "...
> >>
> >> Unlike Andre,  I HAVE served in a modern military force.
>
> Its a shame, then, that BDSG Borgerson learned *nothing* while
> in...
>
> >> (Well, it was the 1970's, but we did have F-14s,  guided
> >> missiles,  nuclear weapons, and a few other 'modern' weapons.)
> >> That military managed to teach me---and the rest of the
> >> people in the Navy---to  avoid shooting ourselves in the
> >> foot with a rifle in about 30 hours.   I suppose you could
> >> do the same with a home guard.
>
> If anyone can offer a successful example of such, let them do so...
>
> None offered ? Claim fails.
My feet are intact.  ;-)
>
> >> > >> At 45 years of age, training to use the equipment is not
> >> > >> as much an issue as is the physical training to engage
> >> > >> in offensive combat operations.   That would
probably limit
> >> > >> older folks to defensive operations where
knowledge of the
> >> > >> local area might give them some small
advantage.    As we've
> >> > >> found out in Iraq,  it doesn't take
sophisticated weapons and
> >> > >> years of training to tie down several divisions
of a modern
> >> > >> military force.
> >> >
> >> > Yeah, thats why the US only needed 100 *hours* in 1991....
> >>
> >> Hmmm.  100 hours   to push them back to their borders before
> >> raising the white flag of victory!  If your goal is just to
> >> push an army back within its borders, you don't really have
> >> to contend with home guard or guerilla troops.
> >>
> >> > Idiots.
> >> >
> >> > > (snip)
> >> > >
> >> > > Quite right.
> >> >
> >> > Exactly wrong.
> >> >
> >> > > It would be more a guerrilla operation.
> >> >
> >> > So, aside from places where a lot of people believe in
suicide attacks,
> >> > where has this ever been tried ?
> >>
> >> The majority of US casualties in Iraq are the result of IEDs and
> >> combat with urban guerillas,  not suicide attacks.
> >> Guerilla attacks were reasonably effective in the Balkans in
> >> WWII.
> >> >
> >> > Exactly. Nowhere, other than in idiot's fantasies.
> >> >
> >> > > My father joined the Local Defence Volunteers
(later the Home Guard).
> >> > > If Hitler had invaded everybody young and old would
have fought
> >> > > with whatever came to hand.
> >> > > "We shall fight on the beaches.....)
> >> >
> >> > Lets see, a Lee Enfield, V/ a Panzer III...
> >
> > When he joined, just a wooden "rifle" for drill
purposes! Things improved
> > later of course.
>
> Indeed, but it's the Channel and Fighter Command that saved the UK in
> 1940. The " Home Guard " would have been nothing more than... speed
> bumps.

To say nothing of breaking the naval codes, an effective convoy system,
and  extended range anti-submarine air patrols  ;-)     If the Wehrmacht
had come up against the home guard,  it would probably only have been
one speed bump,  then have become  a resistance force similar to
that in France and the Balkans.
>
> >> Sort of similar to an AK-47 and a half-dozen leftover artillery
> >> shells against an APC?   Hint:  Even the US doesn't do regular
> >> urban patrols in heavy tanks.  The operating costs are too high.
> >> >
> >> > It tales an idiot to suggest that thats near to equal...
> >>
> >> As we have found out in Iraq,  forces don't have to be equal to
> >> be expensive to an occupying army.
> >> >
> >> > > I think you would find if it came to an invasion
that the spirit of
> >> > > those times would still be around.
> >> >
> >> > Lets see: In 1941-45, Japan relied on " spirit ".
> >>
> >> Non-Sequitur!   The US and allies didn't invade Japan!  In fact
> >> the cost in casualties of such an invasion was a primary argument
> >> for the use of nuclear weapons.
>
> And yet, " spirit " didn't save their asses...

Did it ever get a chance?  There were predictions of massive US
casualties if Olympic and Coronet  were to have been implemented.
Would it have saved their asses?  Probably not.  Might it have
resulted in something other than unconditional surrender?  Perhaps.

http://www.waszak.com/japanww2.htm
>
> Its simply amazing how idiots who claim to have been in, know zip
> about the history...
Actually,  Navy training,  in either boot camp or OCS involves about
as much study of history as it does  small arms training.  The ring
knockers study a bit more history, though.
>
> >> > That really worked well for them, didn't it ?
 Hiroshima .
> >> >  Nagasaki .
> >>
> >> Well,  nukes are an effective way to avoid fighting against a
home guard
> >> on their own territory!   ;-)
>
> A good armoured force would do as well... See " Poland, 1939...
That didn't work quite as well in the Balkans, where the terrain was
less suitable for armored operations.
>
> " Idiots ! John. "
>
> >> > " Idiots !! John ? " Lewis Black, " The
Daily Show. "
>
> Lewis Black said it right...
>
Mark Borgerson




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