Gord Hannah wrote in a message to Jack Stein:

 GH> 11-Sep-99 09:10:59, Jack Stein wrote to Gord Hannah
 GH>           Subject: File Managers

 JS> WIN crap, is I always state immediatly that "I don't know
 JS> nothing about WIN" Saves me a ton of aggravation.

 GH> I can't use that excuse, I personally use OS/2 my wife uses
 GH> Win95, so does  my Dad, and I am expected to keep their
 GH> machines running as they want to.  

I can't use that excuse here either.  I have WIN95 installed and my wife and
kids occasionally use it for some stupid crap that doesn't run on anything but 
WIN.  For example, wife bought a travel guide book for our vacation and it
came with a CD that attempts to tell you the fastest, shortest, most senic
routes to places.  It only runs in WIN95 of course.  Also at work, we run
WIN95, and I have to fool around with that sometimes when the dorks in charge
of our system can't figure out whats wrong.  They have a good handle on WIN I
guess, but don't know jack shit about computers or computing it seems... I
guess thats how it is everywhere today....  At any rate, I'm talking about
"friends and aquantances" that would be driving me nuts if I attempted to
actually help them with anything.  

The last "WIN guy" I helped out was told he needed more memory to solve
problems installing more games.  I agreed to check out his system, which
showed he had used all his multi-gigs of HD, no HD room left, the fool had
installed so damn many games and CD's, things he didn't even know what they
were, let alone use them.  I cleaned it up for him, spent a few HOURS
explaining  the difference between HD space and RAM, and after I felt he had
enough understanding, I left, and as I left he asked if I'd help him install
more RAM when he got it so he wouldn't have the problem again...  What an ass, 
and ALL win users are like that....  Nice people "sometimes" but DON'T EVER
DISCUSS COMPUTING with them, in any form, never help them, unless you get paid 
GOOD MONEY.  It is always a bad experience.

 GH> Dad never learns

He is a WIN guy.  You are stuck I guess, he's your dad.

 GH>  he has 3 machines with Win95, he asked me one time why I never 
 GH> used Windows, I replies: "I wont use inferior Software, or
 GH> Operating Systems.."

Win guys don't know what an OS is, they don't know what a file is, they don't
know jack.  Some of them have MicroSoft diploma's, thats even worse.

 JS> ago. My PC hasn't been shut off since 1991 other than
 JS> maintenance either.  I might add I never lost even one file
 JS> under OS/2 in all this time. I still have the 400meg and 200 meg

 GH> I had the same success with DOS, my old system.

Not me.  I ran DOS for almost 10 years I guess, and it was miserable,
particularly if you pushed it at all with delayed write caches, or let WIN3x
anywhere near the damn thing.  I've lost lots of files under WIN, all
versions, and never push WIN, never use it hardly, except at work.  I've lost
things at work a few times, but not often, but I don't do anything with the
system either.  All you need is a few crashes, and stuff starts to disappear,
drivers blow up, all sorts of crap.  It does this seemingly on it's own too,
just very poor memory management, the hall mark of MS systems.

 JS> drives sitting here beside me, full of files, can't figure out
 JS> what to do with them

 GH> If they are oldies, keepem fer posterity, I have over 1500
 GH> old programs on 5 1/4 sitting on a rack behind me.

I have enough 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 floppies here to pave a road from here to
California in magnetic media.  I have one box of 3 1/2 floppies someone gave
me that must have several thousand disks in it.  I bet I have a few thousand
360 floppies alone with old junk on them.  I seldom through anything worthless 
away...  Yep, still have my 8088 IBM PC sitting here, waiting for me to die so 
some merciful soul will set it on the junk pile...

                                              Jack 
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