TIP: Click on subject to list as thread! ANSI
echo: crossfire
to: BOB KLAHN
from: JOHNJWILSON
date: 2009-05-17 20:54:20
subject: Welfare

->  BA> Forty bucks an hour plus benefits for what is basically
->  BA> unskilled labor is not nonsense.  Receiving full or nearly
-> 
->  Yes, it is, since that is not what unskilled workers get. Oh,
->  while we are at it, why would any salary for unskilled work, no
->  matter how high, be objectionable. Remember, the law of supply
->  and demand does *NOT* have anything in it to say how skilled the
->  labor is, only on what it takes to hire people to do it. Would
->  you want to do factory work for $10 or $15/hr?
-> 
->  Since Toyota's *average* hourly pay is within a few dollars of
->  the American automakers, it must not be too high. It most
->  certainly is not $40/hr. Not even for skilled workers.
-> 
->  I just looked it up. Current top pay is $32.83/hr. That's top
->  skilled labor.
-> 
->  Bottom level pay is about $14/hr. I haven't found a breakdown of
->  all the levels.
-> 
->  Total labor cost is about $55/hr for GM, $49/hr for Toyota and
->  Honda. From what I have read GMs cost will drop over the term of
->  the contract. Adjusted for inflation.
-> 
Thanks for doin' the research.

->  BA> full pay for not working isn't nonsense either.
-> 
->  Does that make it a good thing they do not get full pay for not
->  working? Should Toyota drop their no layoff policy?

Interesting, but confusing. 
-> 
->  Believe it, GM is not going to give full pay for not working. If
->  they had to pay out the full pay they would have the people
->  working.
-> 
->  BA> Auto workers in general, IMO, are grossly overpaid.
-> 
->  CEOs, in general, IMO, are grossly overpaid.
-> 
Damn! I thought _I_ was the only one grossly overpaid.
 
->  Why do you object to autoworkers earning a middle class wage?
-> 
A good question.
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5
* Origin: Doc's Place BBS Fido Since 1991 docsplace.tzo.com (1:123/140)
SEEN-BY: 10/1 3 11/331 34/999 120/228 123/500 128/2 187 140/1 226/0 236/150
SEEN-BY: 249/303 250/306 261/20 38 100 1381 1404 1406 1410 1418 266/1413
SEEN-BY: 280/1027 633/260 267 712/848 800/432 2222/700 2320/100 105 200
SEEN-BY: 5030/1256
@PATH: 123/140 500 261/38 633/260 267

SOURCE: echomail via fidonet.ozzmosis.com

Email questions or comments to sysop@ipingthereforeiam.com
All parts of this website painstakingly hand-crafted in the U.S.A.!
IPTIA BBS/MUD/Terminal/Game Server List, © 2025 IPTIA Consulting™.