From: "Rich" 

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   Strange.  I can't remember the last time I read some published =
material that did not use fonts, formatting, and more, even color, to = get
enhanced expressiveness and readability.  Maybe you've can find = something
published in the last few decades too if you look around.

   The quote from the article is not the quoted text of the replied to =
message.  You're aversion to formatting appears to limit your =
imagination.  As for text from the replied to message, the vertical bar =
is more efficient in space.  In size it may or may not depending on what =
is quoted.  It is also clearer which makes it more efficient where it =
matters.

   If KNode is not wrapping lines correctly than it does have a =
standards compliance problem.  You should take them up with them.

   As for "plain text is more efficient", if you believe that blanket =
statement than you are being silly or even foolish.  You don't identify =
the criteria you use to judge efficiency.  I'm sure you can find one for =
which this is true.  I don't know about you but to me the efficiency for =
the human being operating the computer as a tool is more important than =
the efficiency of the computer.  Then again maybe you take Adam = Flinton's
position that leads him to type "b4" instead of
"before".  It = may be that he is more concerned with the number
of key presses for him = than he is with the readability to others of what
he posts.  Is this the = kind of efficiency which you are promoting?  It is
fewer bytes.

   MIME compliant means to comply with the MIME RFCs only one small =
aspect of which is the Content-Transfer-Encoding.  The bug in KNode you =
described in having to scroll to the right is a problem with the KNode =
implementation of RFC 2045.

Rich

  "Brian Hall"  wrote in message =
news:3ef3cb10{at}w3.nls.net...
  Rich wrote:

  >  I use HTML for some of the same reasons that the web is primarily =
HTML.
  >  It's expressive.  I used it to indent the quoted text in my first
  >  message.

  This is not the web. Plain text is expressive if you say what you =
mean.=20
  HTML decorations add nothing to the discussion.

          I can indent too and I didn't need to use HTML to do it. There =
is a key
          on most keyboard labeled "Tab" that can be used to indent =
plain text.

  My newsreader inserts a little symbol called a "greater than sign" to=20
  denote the quoted text. It seems to work well without adding bloat.

  >  Are you having problems because your newsreader, KNode, is
  >  not standards compliant and displays the raw text of the message
  >  instead of just the text part?

  I have it set to display the plain text part and show anything else as =
an=20
  attachment. Your posts do not word wrap correctly and I have to scroll =
to=20
  the right to read them. I only have a problem with messages from =
people who=20
  use HTML. The majority of people here are intelligent enough to =
realize=20
  that plain text is more efficient.

  >  In the messages you post KNode claims
  >  to be MIME compliant.  Maybe it doesn't know how to display the =
more
  >  expressive HTML part.

  MIME compliant means it can decode/uncompress MIME compressed data and =

  produce/encode MIME compressed data for an attached binary, not that =
it=20
  will surround my text with a bunch of useless markup.

  Brian
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Strange.  I can't =
remember the=20
last time I read some published material that did not use fonts, = formatting, and=20
more, even color, to get enhanced expressiveness and readability. 
= Maybe=20
you've can find something published in the last few decades too if you = look=20
around.
 
   The quote
from the article =
is not the=20
quoted text of the replied to message.  You're aversion to = formatting=20
appears to limit your imagination.  As for text from the replied to =

message, the vertical bar is more efficient in space.  In size it
= may or=20
may not depending on what is quoted.  It is also clearer
which = makes=20
it more efficient where it matters.
 
   If KNode
is not wrapping =
lines=20
correctly than it does have a standards compliance =
problem.  You=20
should take them up with them.
 
   As
for "plain text is =
more=20
efficient", if you believe that blanket statement than you
are = being silly=20
or even foolish.  You don't identify the =
criteria you=20
use to judge efficiency.  I'm sure you can find one for
which = this is=20
true.  I don't know about you but to me the efficiency for the =
human being=20
operating the computer as a tool is more important than the efficiency = of the=20
computer.  Then again maybe you take Adam Flinton's position that
= leads him=20
to type "b4" instead of "before".  It may be
that he is more = concerned with=20
the number of key presses for him than he is with the readability to = others of=20
what he posts.  Is this the kind of efficiency which you are=20
promoting?  It is fewer bytes.
 
   MIME
compliant means to =
comply with=20
the MIME RFCs only one small aspect of which is the=20
Content-Transfer-Encoding.  The bug in KNode you described in =
having to=20
scroll to the right is a problem with the KNode implementation of RFC=20
2045.
 
Rich
 

  "Brian Hall" <bdhall1313{at}spamcop.net>">mailto:bdhall1313{at}spamcop.net">bdhall1313{at}spamcop.net>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:3ef3cb10{at}w3.nls.net...Ri=
ch=20
  wrote:>  I use HTML for some of the
same reasons that =
the web=20
  is primarily HTML.>  It's expressive. 
I used it to =
indent=20
  the quoted text in my first> 
message.This is not =
the web.=20
  Plain text is expressive if you say what you mean. HTML =
decorations add=20
  nothing to the =
discussion.       
I=20
  can indent too and I didn't need to use HTML to do it. There is a=20
 
key       
on most keyboard =
labeled=20
  "Tab" that can be used to indent plain
text.My newsreader =
inserts a=20
  little symbol called a "greater than sign" to denote
the quoted =
text. It=20
  seems to work well without adding
bloat.>  Are you =
having=20
  problems because your newsreader, KNode, is>  not =
standards=20
  compliant and displays the raw text of the message>  =
instead of=20
  just the text part?I have it set to display the plain text =
part and=20
  show anything else as an attachment. Your posts do not word wrap =
correctly=20
  and I have to scroll to the right to read them. I only have a =
problem with=20
  messages from people who use HTML. The majority of people here are =

  intelligent enough to realize that plain text is more=20
  efficient.>  In the messages you post KNode=20
  claims>  to be MIME compliant.  Maybe
it doesn't know =
how to=20
  display the more>  expressive HTML
part.MIME =
compliant=20
  means it can decode/uncompress MIME compressed data and =
produce/encode=20
  MIME compressed data for an attached binary, not that it will =
surround my=20
  text with a bunch of useless =
markup.Brian

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