>>> David Martorana on "Nothing" 
 DM> I was trying to refer to that realm on the other side of knowing,
 DM> that "dark unknowable" NOTHING to us, never approached except by
 DM> religions, and then only in the simplest of human terms. 
Mystics refer to it as the void, the abyss, the unknowable and claim to 
attain comprehension.  It's also intertwined with notions of death.
Such
 DM> darkness, emptiness- ....nihil would be explored even unto a "WHY"
 DM> ....if SUCH had meaning or even comprehensible "inference".   
This is akin to asking why of existence and consciousness.  It does, try 
death.  But take your time. -)
Without
 DM> such an insight, our knowledge takes on some humorous baggage. I am
 DM> quite content this side of such knowing; it is only my imagination
 DM> that occasionally whispers, just loud enough to limit my positive
 DM> insights. 
What humorous baggage, life after death stuff?  You got some ideas?
 DM> As said before, I don't believe we are here dealing with
 DM> logic.....proofs, but will look into your suggested sources should I
 DM> be missing some other extended insights. 
No, mostly we're fumbling around in the dark hoping to bump into something 
familiar or at least perceptible.  Interesting material indeed.  Another 
place to look is understanding the brain.  
Note this, that the ocular blind spot is the place where the optic nerve 
connects to the retina.  Mostly the mind fills in the missing spot so it 
takes a bit to notice it.  But look, this place is the vortex of all visual 
knowledge yet it is unseen, the unseeable.  Any speculative extrapolations?
Riddle of the day:  How is the unknowable unknown different than the unknown?
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AMA SAMY is a christian priest and zen master Gen-Un-Ken-Roshi
What is central in shikantaza or just-sitting is just that-just
sitting, being here and now, being present; letting-go and letting-be.
   
Tosotsu Juetsu Osho set up three barriers for his disciples.
First barrier:
   Monks, you leave no stone unturned to explore the depths, simply to
   see into your True Nature. Now I want to ask you, just at this moment:
   where is your True Nature?
Second barrier:
   If you realize your True Nature, you are free from life and death.
   Tell me, when your eye sight deserts you at the last moment, how can
   you be free from life and death?
Third barrier:
   When you set yourself free from life and death, you should know your
   ultimate destination. So when the four elements separate, where will
   you go?"
   Someone asked a master: "What happens after death?" 
   He said: "I dont't know, I'm not dead yet". 
   
   You are all the time dying, that is part of us, life and death.
   Like day and night it is part of us. We are born, we grow, we die.
   Falling asleep is a form of death. Forgetting everything, falling 
   into unconsciousness. But we are used to it, we are sure we will wake 
   up, and so we fall asleep. Falling asleep is a form of dying.
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