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from: Rich
date: 2007-02-22 20:23:40
subject: Re: Legacy setup program behavior

From: "Rich" 

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   It would be foolish to try to extrapolate from some legacy setup =
programs to all programs.

Rich

  "John Beamish"  wrote in message =
news:op.tn6jv2bim6tn4t{at}dellblack.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com...
  I wasn't referring to the prompt ... just the packaging.  I've got =
some =20
  good resources from MS about Project and they came as four EXE files.  =
=20
  There was another case where the docs and stuff covered perhaps 20 =20
  different files and they could have been easily included in a single =20
  compressed folder/file.

  On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:34:57 -0500, Rich  wrote:

  >    I never understood why they don't do single file documents as is. =
 I =20
  > don't see much benefit in packing them in an archive.  They can =
still be =20
  > compressed over HTTP.  It may not be as fast for dial-up users but =
it is =20
  > much simpler for everyone.  I do see a number of documents this way.
  >
  >    The prompt to which you refer is for the signature not for =
elevation.
  >
  > Rich
  >   "John Beamish"  wrote in message =20
  > news:op.tn4nhv0lm6tn4t{at}dellblack.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com...
  >   I've never understood why the files couldn't simply be bundled as =
a
  >   ZIP/compressed folder (note: not the compressed folders that run =
with a
  >   zip extractor, just the compressed folder).  That way, from my
  >   perspective, I get to make the choice when I decide to open the =
folder
  >   just, as you point out, that I have to confirm the choice when I'm =
=20
  > running
  >   the EXE.
  >
  >   On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:46:59 -0500, Rich  wrote:
  >
  >   >    Downloaded EXEs have an extra layer of security on both =
Windows XP
  >   > and Windows Vista.  There is an extra prompt confirming you want =
to =20
  > run
  >   > something downloaded from the Internet and displaying the =
digital
  >   > signature.  Don't run such EXEs from a non-trusted source.
  >   >
  >   >    The ZIP self-extractors that are sometimes used to package
  >   > documentation files do not run elevated.  Try it yourself with
  >   > =20
  > =
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=3D1880bfe5-c73c-=
4eec-a766-919cc56b6586&DisplayLang=3Den.
  >   >
  >   > Rich

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   It would
be foolish to try =
to=20
extrapolate from some legacy setup programs to all =
programs.
 
Rich
 

  "John Beamish" <JLBeamish{at}rogers.com>">mailto:JLBeamish{at}rogers.com">JLBeamish{at}rogers.com>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:op.tn6jv2bim6tn4t{at}dellblack.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com..=
.I=20
  wasn't referring to the prompt ... just the packaging.  I've got=20
  some  good resources from MS about Project and they came as =
four EXE=20
  files.   There was another case where the
docs and stuff =
covered=20
  perhaps 20  different files and they could have been easily =
included=20
  in a single  compressed
folder/file.On Thu, 22 Feb =
2007=20
  00:34:57 -0500, Rich 
wrote:>    I =
never=20
  understood why they don't do single file documents as is.  =
I =20
  > don't see much benefit in packing them in an
archive.  =
They can=20
  still be  > compressed over HTTP.  It
may not be as =
fast for=20
  dial-up users but it is  > much simpler for =
everyone.  I do=20
  see a number of documents this
way.>>    =
The=20
  prompt to which you refer is for the signature not for=20
  elevation.>>
Rich>   "John Beamish" =
<JLBeamish{at}rogers.com>">mailto:JLBeamish{at}rogers.com">JLBeamish{at}rogers.com>
=
wrote in=20
  message  > news:op.tn4nhv0lm6tn4t{at}dellblack.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com..=
.>  =20
  I've never understood why the files couldn't simply be bundled as=20
  a>   ZIP/compressed folder (note: not
the compressed =
folders=20
  that run with a>   zip extractor, just
the compressed =

  folder).  That way, from
my>   perspective, I =
get to=20
  make the choice when I decide to open the
folder>   =
just, as=20
  you point out, that I have to confirm the choice when I'm  =
>=20
  running>   the
EXE.>>   On =
Tue, 20=20
  Feb 2007 11:46:59 -0500, Rich 
wrote:>>   =

  >    Downloaded EXEs have an extra
layer of security =
on both=20
  Windows XP>   > and Windows
Vista.  There is =
an extra=20
  prompt confirming you want to  >
run>   =
>=20
  something downloaded from the Internet and displaying the=20
  digital>   >
signature.  Don't run such EXEs =
from a=20
  non-trusted source.>  
>>  =20
  >    The ZIP self-extractors that are
sometimes used =
to=20
  package>   > documentation
files do not run=20
  elevated.  Try it yourself
with>   >  =
>=20
  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=3D1880bf=
e5-c73c-4eec-a766-919cc56b6586&DisplayLang=3Den">http://www.microsoft=
.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=3D1880bfe5-c73c-4eec-a766-919cc56b65=
86&DisplayLang=3Den.>  =20
  >>   >
Rich

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