JIM,
     In a message dated 07-08-97 you wrote ...
> I still content that this was the squirelest landing airplane that I had
> experience with.  You got experience in the best with the C-45 and T-11.
> I read the other day that they had place a T-11 in a Museum some place
> but couldn't remember where.
  They have an AT-11 at WP USAF museum.  I went through bomb school
 at Deming, NM. We had some of the finest pilots out flying students
 there. Not incidents or crashes while I was there in 1943. Runway
 elevation was 4300 feet and always hot in July and August. We would
 take two students, instructor and pilot to 16,000 or so to get up
 to our 11,000 TRUE bombing altitude. Indicated 120 there.
> Jim, what year were you at Harlingen?  Lots of my classmates took the
> cushioney job flying the Navigators around and playing Golf and
> thoroughly enjoyed it.  Most of the guys were the ones that didn't plan
> to stay in the service anyhow.  It actually went very high in the
> airplane/base selection process at graduation.
  I was there from 1952 to summer of 1954.  I was Sr. Military
 training officer for the cadets. Then they said rated could
 not hold ground job so I was made OIC of the radar training
 section. We trained for the APS-42 transport type radar but
 had Q-24 bombing units in the T-29s. Lots of innovations in
 doing it.  We could carry four radar students in the front
 part of aircraft while the rear carried DR and celestial
 students. That is where we started the bit about a three star
 fix (Deneb, Dubhe and Dallas).  Ellington was also training
 navigators as well as Mather. Reactivated Lowry for training
 Norden again. Most of this was for B-29 crews going to Korea
 and B-50 and B-36 in SAC. I later met some of my students in
 SAC.
> Here is the real clue and I think you finally broke the code.
> Boy, most of them were terrible but met some good ones myself.
 My assistant in AIO (Engineering) was instructor pilot
 in the C-47 as secondary so had a good one MOST of the
 time... We had only TWO navigators in the airbase wing
 at E. Harmon so we could be choosey on our flights. A
 navigator was REQUIRED on all flights to and from the
 U.S. so we got some good flights from Newfoundland to
 the US... But also some real rough ones to the north in
 C-54s and C-119s.
   -=*  Jim Sanders  *=-
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