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echo: philos
to: DENNIS MENARD
from: ANDREW CUMMINS
date: 1998-01-04 11:33:00
subject: Re: Ethics

 -=> Quoting Dennis Menard to William Elliot <=-
 DM> :(  As, according to 1995 statistics, the non-Hispanic black
 DM> population of the U.S. was only 12%, their almost unbelievable %
 DM> over-representation with- in the judicial/penal circuit does seem like
 DM> some perverse fairytale, or the dream of some racist fantasy, all
 DM> right.
Don't be so simple-minded!  People are in prison for the reason
that the break the law and are convicted.  And, you know half
as well as I do that blacks commit far more than 12% of the
violent crimes.  The truth is blacks benefit from reverse
racism in the justice system just as much as they benefit
from reverse racism in the rest of society.
This is easy to understand. Black juries commonly refuse to
convict blacks who are accused of crimes against whites.
White juries are often hesitant to convict black criminals
else they think of themselves as racist.
 WE> This is an aspect of our police that not so well know, I've heard
 WE> little. Police violence gets aired every so often, stories about
 DM> For several years now, I've been accumulating a collection of
 DM> authenticated instances with their follow-ups ... there are lots and,
I know, like any loser, you'll be able to do no better than
to accuse me of such things as racism in response to having
your arguments ripped to shreds, but I'll enjoy ripping anyway.
The instances of police abusing blacks by motivation of racism
are rare, rare enough to be irrelevant in the minds of any black
person being pulled over by a cop.  And, don't think that a lot
of it goes buy unnoticed, not when there are watchdog groups on
the backs of every police department.  And, when some black gets
abused, he usually started it by acting in a criminal manner and
then by resisting arrest.
Now, while you're looking to prove your thesis that blacks
have reason to fear racist police, why don't you consider
the number of whites who are abused by police and the
number of blacks who are abused by black police.  But, I
guess having a control group would crush most of your
prejudiced interpretations of police/black encounters.
 DM> frequently, they are irrefutably overt.  These are scary times we're
 DM> living in.
Why is it okay for blacks to fear police but not okay for whites
to fear blacks when blacks commit far more unproved violence than
do police?
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