DB> VH> Nor is the 5.56X45 nearly as effective against barriers,
DB> VH> such as logs,
DB> VH> sandbags, walls, and so on as the .30-06 or the 7.62X51
DB> VH> NATO.

DB>Remember that I was comparing the .223 to a .30 carbine, not M2 ball or 150
DB>.308, and in a hairy situation, I think I'd be hard pressed to find someone
DB>who'd prefer an M1 Carbine to an M-16.

Combat is not norm-referenced.  It is no comfort to die knowing that,
while your rifle didn't do the job, it did a little better than some
other rifle.

DB>Both the M-14 and the FAL are difficult to control while in full auto. Sure,
DB>the .308's got stop, which is why the M-60 won't go away anytime soon.

As a company commander, I used to charge $50 for firing full auto -- and
that's with the M16.  Full auto fire from hand-held weapons is
completely useless in combat.

DB>Personally, my match service rifle is an M1A, I prefer the .30 caliber round
DB>and shoot 175 g Sierra's when most of the .30 cal guys are shooting 168's.
DB>Comes from years of shooting M118 military match at 174 g. But I can also
DB>appreciate the role of the .223. There's plenty of dead Iraqi's who don't sh
DB>your opinion of that round. :)

There are also a lot of Americans who would be alive today if they had
had a more potent weapon.

During the Remagen operations near Khe Sanh in '69, sappers wearing
garlands of Chinese grenades penetrated my perimeter.  They had the
strings all attached to a piece of parachute cord, and once inside the
position, they would pull that cord, igniting all the fuzes.

You want to STOP people like that, and stop them NOW.
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