07 Jun 15 14:05, you wrote to me:

 ml>> actually, all three readers, TimED, GoldED and MsgED, use the same chs
 ml>> translation files... if others can't translate as much as golded does,
 ml>> that just means that they don't have the additional chs files and they
 ml>> don't have the config stuff telling them what chs files to use for
 ml>> which translations...

 NB> News to me I suppose. I have MsgEd installed here and all it is provided
 NB> with is translation tables that only support 128 character translations,
 NB> not the full 256. That's why I originally went with Golded in the first
 NB> place.

if you look at the ID number in the chs files, it is the first non-comment
line, and it is greater than 65536, then the entire 256 set should be listed in
the lines... if the ID is less than 65536, then only the top 128 are listed...
this because most sets have the same lower 128 so there's no need to translate
them...

 NB>>> Anyhow, you had mentioned that the STATS echo looks off to you.
 NB>>> In the last 10 messages posted there, when I switch to ter-i14b
 NB>>> and use a 256 glyph font, both of Bill's posts display correctly,
 NB>>> but none of yours do.

 ml>> i don't know why... bill is using the same script i am using to
 ml>> generate the traffic graph and the transfer stats chart... the graph
 ml>> uses the single line frame characters and then at least two or three
 ml>> of the box characters for the bars on the graph...

 NB> I didn't convert my golded config fully over to CP437 the last time, as I
 NB> was in a hurry to leave town. Now I have it converting properly (note the
 NB> CHRS kludge on this message) and all your stats posts are displaying
 NB> correctly.

i haven't figured that part out yet... right now i'm using something called
cp437 which sets up whatever you have it execute so that all the characters are
run through iconv for conversion to utf8 for display purposes... i don't think
it works in reverse but i just posted another character test in the FIDOTEST
echo to see...

 ml>> they are plain CP437 from a CP437 machine...

 NB> Confirmed. They display fine here now.

with this cp437, i can now see them... all of the block graphics used in the
bar graphs, too :)

 ml>> i might try that... it seems to be similar to the 437_437, 850_850
 ml>> and others of the same nature... except that those all contain the
 ml>> upper 256 characters whereas yours doesn't have any at all...
 ml>> hummm...

 NB> That still most likely won't get your line and box drawing characters
 NB> you're looking for. I have a config here that let's me stick with UTF-8 on
 NB> my console, but displays CP437 just fine at the moment. I'll verify to
make
 NB> sure everything is in working order and then see what I can do to give you
 NB> a hand.

that would be nice... thanks!

 ml>> properly... i have just switched this golded script to using those
 ml>> echo escape code you posted... they are the same as being used on T's
 ml>> machine... i also set golded to CP437 which should be seen in the
 ml>> control lines on this post... i went to the stats echo and looked,
 ml>> again, at my graph posting and it looks better but none of the box
 ml>> characters are being shown... only the frame characters... the boxes
 ml>> are being shown as question marks in a white circle and i think that
 ml>> means that there's nothing in the character table in the font for
 ml>> them... that puts me/us back to the damned font mess so i guess i'll
 ml>> have to root around in the ubuntu and/or debian support areas to try
 ml>> to find a font that does pure CP437 with all the proper 256 glyphs...

 NB> You mentioned a couple different approaches already.. so I'm a little
 NB> confused. Are you using KDE's "Konsole" or an actual gui-less TTY console?

on /this/ system, i'm in a GUI... on others, there is no GUI so they're raw
TTY...

 NB> If the former, setfont may not work in a gui program as I think it's
 NB> specifically for a gui-less console. You would have to use Konsole's
 NB> settings for changing the font and/or xorg.conf settings as X handles
fonts
 NB> and character sets differently.

yeah, that's what i've found with setfont (again)... i had forgotten that it
was limited to raw TTYs...

 NB> I don't use X at all here, so while my config seems to work for me
 NB> it's only in a gui-less environment and utilizes the terminus-fonts
 NB> package that were installed to /usr/share/kbd/consolefonts (via
 NB> Archlinux's pacman package manager. More than likely a bit different
 NB> in Kubuntu).

i think i lost them some time back... i remember hunting them down and trying
to work with them...

 NB> If you're trying to do all of this in an X environment, what I've been
 NB> saying may not help you at all. :(

we can only find out :)

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