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from: Roy J. Tellason
date: 2003-01-04 12:14:50
subject: PA-RKBA! I don`t miss my guns and don`t miss the united States eithe

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From: "pistonpilot2000 "

Subject: PA-RKBA! I don't miss my guns and don't miss the united States either.

Hello all,

I have been more than the absentee list owner, I've also been gladly absent
from the united States as well.  I've spent the last month and a half in
Thailand.  I've done nothing here but eat, sleep, go to the beach, and
sleep with Thai women - something I wholeheartedly suggest you all try once
in your lives - maybe twice.

My guns are locked up in a safe at home - safe and sound - but I don't miss
them.  That's right, you can have them all, here I don't need them.

I also don't miss the united States - you can all have it.  I have said
many times, that this lawless coup goverment that resides in Washington
ignores the laws and various constitutions with impunity. Althought it
isn't supposed to be this way, the states look to the federal government
for their cues as to how they conduct their business - jack booted thugs
has been replaced been replaced by the need to "safeguard" us all
from weapons of mass destruction.=20

Bullshit.

While everyone rallies behind this current regime heaving
"rights" off the aft deck of this slow moving death ship, the
united States of America grows sicker and sicker with the cancer invading
every part of society.  While some of you limit your crusade to firearms,
federal agencies who have no business being anywhere but Washington DC
quietly and sometimes not so quietly invade your homes without an 4th
amendment protections - no judge signs nor sees any document purporting to
a crime.

And now I read this article about Maryland and having known about Maryland
and their love for Naziesque tactics, they surpass NJ with this one.

Speaking of Nazi's, I'm often asked if I am a Nazi.  I've been asked this
by Swedes, English, Danish, German, just about anyone from any country
other than Thailand or the united States.  You see anyone who thinks as I
do must be with the Nazi's.  I can see where opening our borders to anyone
has diluted the need for freedom in the uSA because most everyone else
thinks that socialism is a good thing.  These people make Democrats look
like Republicans.

And where will it end?  Warrantless searches, roadside safety stops, and
whatever else is embazoned with the new banner of safeguarding our freedom.

We don't have freedom, no one does.  Here in Thailand they have a King. 
He's actually a good man, does good things, has a "democratic"
government that steals everyone blind, but their basic premise is very
Libertarian - you either work or you die - or - you leave me alone and I'll
leave you alone.

I like it here, they have a constitution that they just adopted, but the
government here also ignores it to a degree.

The difference between most countries and the u.S. is very simple - in the
united States, most Americans believe the government to be good, ethical,
and law-abiding.  Try to tell an American that their government steals from
them and they will laugh at you.

People of other countries already know the government steals from them and
they actually expect it.  No big deal, it just comes down to how much they
steal.

Well the united States has stolen more than your money, it stole your
birthright right out from under you with the pemission of the people.

I think I'm saying, that this fight is doomed.  I'm not unconvinced that
the entire 9/11 debacle wasn't "allowed" to happen just so the
government could clamp down and eradicate the little trickle of rights that
was left.

It's not just the guns, it's the law.  Until the people demand that the
goverments federal and local abide by the documents that
"supposedly" bind them, we will never see freedom again.

And anyone who would like to challenge me on this go right ahead. I'm
watching the list and the threads and I am reluctantly coming back
mid-week.

I think it is all doomed.  Am I wrong?

Howard


--- In pa-rkba{at}yahoogroups.com, "LLR"  wrote:
>  http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20030103-95731792.htm
>
> Sniper tips to aid hunt for firearms=20
> By Arlo Wagner and Matthew Cella
> THE WASHINGTON TIMES
>
>      Montgomery County police said yesterday that they will use 
> tens of thousands of tips from the October sniper hunt to track down 
> those who violate Maryland gun laws.
>
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>      "Our goal is to reduce illegal firearm possessions and violent 
> crimes," said Capt. Nancy Demme, spokeswoman for the Montgomery County
> Police Department. She also said the intensive crackdown would begin 
> in the county in a few weeks.
>      The mission will be carried out by a task force of county and 
> state police officers, as well as federal agents of the Secret 
> Service and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
>      Police authorities said many of the nearly 100,000 tips and the 
> names of tipsters and offenders were set aside during the sniper 
> investigation because it was clear they did not pertain to the shooter
> or shooters, who were using a rifle.
>      "If, for instance, someone called to say, 'The guy next door has 
> a couple handguns,' that did not apply," explained Michael Bouchard, 
> special agent in charge of the ATF office in Baltimore.
>      Though police say the tips could help solve cases and get illegal
> guns off the street, gun groups are uneasy about such a task force 
> using information often submitted by neighbors.
>      "I just plain don't like it," said Robert Culver, co-chairman of
> Montgomery Citizens for a Safer Maryland, a Montgomery County-based
> gun-advocacy group.
>      Mr. Culver said the task force could go overboard while 
> investigating gun owners, relying on "rumors" or fraudulent or 
> misguided tips.
>      The sniper hunt ended Oct. 25 at an Interstate 70 rest stop near
> Myersville, Md., with the arrest of John Allen Muhammad, 42, and John
> Lee Malvo, 17. They are in Virginia jails awaiting capital-offense 
> trials.
>      Six of the 10 sniper slayings occurred in Montgomery County. The
> first took place Oct. 2, with four more occurring in the county the 
> next day, causing thousands of Maryland, Washington and Virginia 
> residents to call a special tip-line telephone number with 
> information about suspects and dubious circumstances.
>      "We are still getting a lot of tips as a result," Mr. Bouchard 
> said, and those tips are being examined for possible violations of 
> Maryland and D.C. gun laws.
>      Though the task force will focus on handgun owners convicted of 
> violent felonies, Mr. Bouchard acknowledged that some tips already 
> have led to persons who had no idea they owned guns illegally.
>      "We are not looking to take away any guns or ammunition that are
> legally possessed," he said.
>      Still, advocacy groups remain concerned.
>      A Web site for Maryland gun owners, www.direct-action.org, stated
> in an October article that the sniper shootings could lead to a 
> "wanton politicizing of a crisis, leading to apparently unconstrained 
> police activity."
>      The site offered advice to gun owners interviewed by authorities
> based on tips.
>      Gun advocates portray the crackdown as evidence of continuing 
> hostility toward gun owners by county officials.
>      In 2001, the county failed in an attempt to ban gun shows at the
> Montgomery County Agricultural Center in Gaithersburg. When Silverado
> Promotions, the show's promoter, challenged the ban, a federal judge
> ruled that the Montgomery County Council broke the law when it tried 
> to withhold county money to support the event.
>      The ruling is being appealed. In the interim, Silverado 
> Promotions is holding a gun show at the Gaithersburg agricultural 
> center this weekend.
>      Other jurisdictions are also following on tips received during 
> the sniper shootings.
>      "We have detectives working on tips but we do not have a special
> task force," Fairfax County Police spokeswoman Cheryl Farrell said.
>      Prince George's County police are responding similarly. Capt. 
> Andy Ellis, a department spokesman, said investigators are checking 
> tips that might help solve other crimes or reveal new crimes.
>      Still, Virginia police officials in the commonwealth will work 
> much differently on this issue compared with Montgomery or Prince
> George's counties because Maryland gun laws are "far more 
> restrictive," said John Ritter, an Arlington County police detective.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

"Our Rights are not what's wrong in Pennsylvania"

The Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania guarantees your right
to bear arms in Article 1 Section 21: "The right of Citizens to bear
arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned."

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