>-> Only going by what I've already seen from mailcity.com.
 > Well, your info is flawed, and you should NOT pass
 > such 'serious'
 > allegations on without attempting to verify them.
I received email from the very person I couldn't send email to with my 
juno.com accounts - none of them worked to his account and he didn't have all 
of them to have put a filter on them.  I send out email to various other isps 
dailing, without any problem from the mailcity.com account.
 > HERE is the info directly from the Juno website, as
 > released to the
 > press (accents are mine) ...
 > subscribers. Like other
 > major online services, Juno prohibits its subscribers
 > from using its
 >                        ^^
 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > service for the transmission of spam. Juno maintains a
 > staff to
 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > investigate spam-related complaints and terminates the
 > account of any
 > subscriber found to be in violation of this
 > prohibition. Juno has also
 > implemented a number of proprietary technical measures
 > designed to make
 > it extremely difficult to send spam from a Juno
 > account or to "relay"
 > spam through Juno's computers.
 > In recent months, however, Juno has found itself the
 > victim of a
 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > practice its technical solutions cannot address: the
 > forging of Juno
 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > e-mail addresses, both real and fictitious, into the
 > "headers" of spam
 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > sent through services other than Juno. "The practice
 > of spamming is
 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > universally reviled," said Charles Ardai, Juno's
 > president. "Spammers
 > insert fake return addresses in their bulk e-mail
 > solicitations in
 > order to disguise their identity and to deflect the
 > thousands of angry
 > complaints a single piece of spam can provoke onto an
 > innocent third
 > party."
 > In its complaint, Juno notes that the deceptive
 > practices of "spammers"
 > have interfered with its business.
Yea... you can't offer  a service and then not be able to fulfill it.
I'd say I'm not the only one who sent JUNO's tech support email - and got 
that dang automated email response.
 >Juno is seeking  financial
 > compensation from the defendants for damage to Juno's
 > reputation, fraud, and trademark infringement. The suit seeks $1,
 > 000,000 in  punitive damages against each of the five defendants:
 > Strippers, Inc. of Beverly Hills, CA; IMS of Knoxville, TN; Phoenix
 > Interactive of  Hermosa Beach, CA; Global Information Services of
 > Clearwater, FL; and Scott Allen Export Sales of Somerset, NJ. The action,
 > filed in United  States District Court for the Southern District of New
 > York, also asks the court for a preliminary and permanent injunction
 > against the  spammers.
 > The specific counts against each of the named
 > companies include:
 >   False designation of origin
 >   Fraud
 >   Unjust enrichment
 > According to the suit, the spammers have camouflaged
 > their respective businesses behind Juno's reputable name by forging
 > Juno return e-mail addresses in their solicitations. By disguising the
 > point of origin of their messages, spammers are able to avoid the
 > automatic filters used by many individuals and companies to reject all
 > incoming messages from known spam sources. Because the vast majority of 
he
 > e-mail that bears a Juno return address is from one of Juno's millions
 > of legitimate e-mail users, it would be impossible for an e-mail
 > recipient to reject all incoming Juno e-mail without rejecting messages
 > that he or she did want to receive.
 > "This is a misappropriation of Juno's legitimate
 > identity. The spammers hide behind our name in order to deceive the people
 > they write to and avoid the consequences of their actions," said Mr.
 > Ardai. "We believe  these companies have violated federal law, and we
 > intend to hold them responsible for their actions. With this suit we hope
 > to turn a  spotlight on one of the most objectionable practices
 > in cyberspace and  put an end to it."
 > -------------------------
 > ---------------------------------------
 > I HOPE that clears things up.  And now YOU can pass
 > this on to anyone
 > that claims Juno is responsible for spamming.
JUNO isn't responsible for spamming, Bud.  The persons sending the SPAM are 
responsible.  BUT, as long as there is nothing done to stop them - such as 
making sure valid addresses do get from juno.com into cyberspace, those 
spammers will continue to cause isp's to block JUNO and other sites.  My 
JUNO.COM email to that person still comes back with the same errors 
EVERYTIME... and none of the other email originating with that email address 
bounces.  www.vds.com.au sent email to all their account holders stating that 
JUNO was being blocked because of SPAMMERS and that no email coming into 
their isp would be directed on to vds' account holders.  Spammers have caused 
JUNO's email to be blocked... not JUNO's administrative.  And, as I said, 
it's not *just* JUNO's mail.  If there wasn't a problem, JUNO wouldn't be 
seeking financial compensation for what the SPAMMERS did to JUNO.
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Import of feedback mail to techsupport at mailcity.com:
From: Rikki Sigmund 
Received: from mx3.boston.juno.com (mx3.boston.JUNO.com [207.205.100.52])
 by x10.boston.juno.com (8.8.6.Beta0/8.8.6.Beta0/2.0.kim) with ESMTP id 
CAAAA25493
 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 02:06:20 -0500 (EST)
Received: from rigel (rigel.whowhere.com [205.230.7.21])
 by mx3.boston.juno.com (8.8.6.Beta0/8.8.6.Beta0/2.0.kim) with SMTP id 
CAAAA27792
 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 02:06:15 -0500 (EST)
Received: from rikki by rigel (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)
    id XAA06557; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:06:00 -0800
Return-path: 
Reply-To: rikki@whowhere.com
To: Nancy Wood 
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 00:20:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Spam/Junk Mail/Abuse
Message-ID: 
References: 
Dear Nancy,
Thank you for your feedback. I wish I could assure you that you will
never have a problem sending e-mail from your MailCity account. The
problem is that many ISP's are blocking domains if they see any spam
with that domain's name on it, whether or not the spam originated from
that site. They block first and then it is up to us to write and explain
that we do not suppport, condone, or tolerate spam and ask them to lift
the block.
Thank you for using our service.
Sincerely,
Rikki Sigmund                                 http://www.whowhere.com
Customer Relations                            http://www.mailexcite.com
WhoWhere?, Inc                                http://www.mailcity.com
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Obviously, more than just vds.com.au's administrative staff opted to keep the 
'blocks' on inbound JUNO email or JUNO wouldn't be in court seeking financial 
compensation.
Nancy
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