JOHNJWILSON -> JOHN MASSEY wrote:

 ->>>> If you accept the Bush quote as real then you should accept the BO
 J>>> quote.

 J>>> Uh, no. The Bush quote has been bandied about for years.

 ->> Doesn't make it accurate or even real.

 J> True.

 J>>> ..the Obama 'quote'  is an obvious partisan attempt at defusement.

 ->> Nope, just an attempt to show that anyone that claims the Bush quote is
 J> real,
 ->> is full of it.

 J> :-)



 ->> Come on John,  You seem to want to step up to the plate. Be a hero to
 J> the left...

 J> I have no desire to be a hero. Being an apologist is hard enough. :-)


 J> ,
 ->> be the first to provide a credible source for the Bush quote. Name some
 J> names.
 ->> Give a time and date.

 J>>> In addition to which the Bush quote is fairly likely, the Obama one
 J> is not.

 ->> The Obama "quote" is just as likely as the Bush quote.

 J> I think you are quite mistaken.

 J> (From Google._ Search "Constitution Goddamned")
 J> "

 J> Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office
 J> to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the
 J> controversial USA Patriot Act.

 J> Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period
 J> immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that
 J> liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces
 J> with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose
 J> renewal.

 J> GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous
 J> provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the
 J> President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet
 J> Miers to the Supreme Court.

 J> “I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the
 J> Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”

 J> “Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that
 J> the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

 J> “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just
 J> a goddamned piece of paper!”

 J> I’ve talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all
 J> confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution “a
 J> goddamned piece of paper.

 J> A ton other other stuff as usual on Google I just picked the first I saw.

 J> I up my 35% to about 60%...as it being likely.

 J> Hell, I have the 'audacity to hope'- you have the option of doubt...

 J> Onward!
Names John Names. an unnamed aid just don't quite make it.
Better luck next try.

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