Hello TIM!

24 May 09 17:39, you wrote to JOE BRUCHIS:

 JB>> "On May 14, 1948, the United States, under President Truman, became
 JB>> the first country to extend de facto recognition to the State of
 JB>> Israel, 11 minutes after Israel declared itself an independent
 JB>> nation.

 TR> That was the biggest mistake an American president ever made.

One could argue that Vietnam ranked up there.

After all, our involvement only delayed the North gobbling up the South by
only 10-25 years, and it didnt alter the outcome of the cold war chess
match which the Soviets ultimately lost.

 TR> It involved America in the Arab-Israeli war.....which has been going
 TR> on for thousands of years....since back before the days of Abraham,
 TR> Isaac, and Jacob!

More Cold War Politics...

Remember the USSR recognized Israel too, or did you forget that?

Had we not stepped in, the USSR would have simply exercised its influence..

Pure and simple a game of chess, we move they counter-move and vice versa.

 TR> And that has come back to slap America in the face, big time.

Every action has an opposite reaction...

Had we stayed out, perhaps the Kremlin would have been the ones influencing
the Sheiks on the price of oil?

 TR> It was a direct cause of the 9\11\01 attack on America!

It is part of one factor...

Being in Saudi Arabia among other things played in as well.

 TR> There's no other way to say it: that goddamn, fucking Israel has cost
 TR> America:

 TR> High gasoline prices

No we got plenty of people over here to blame for that..

 TR> Dead and injured over a period of about forty years

Drama...

Vietnam..

Was that Israels fault, should we blame Korea on them as well..

How many lives lost or ruined?

What about the death toll we suffer on our own highways?

 TR> A continuing war that we probably won't win, because the goddamn
 TR> fuckin' democrats suck, and ain't got no fuckin' guts!

No the Dems hate Israel as much as you do if not moreso.

 TR> The dirty low-dog sons-of-bitches steal technology from us, practice
 TR> espionage against us, treat us like an enemy. We ought to carpet bomb
 TR> the whole fuckin' country of Israel!

Yes and your point..

If you dont think we havent spied on our own allies, UK, NATO and the ilk,
you are sadly mistaken.

 TR> If I had my say, Israel would have been on its own from day one! And
 TR> any espionage Israel did against the United States would have brought
 TR> an air strike!

You forget that Israel won its first war without our help or armaments..

We started helping them when the Soviets began helping Israels foes, its CHESS.


 TR> Fuck Israel! And all its supporters, too! Tom Lantis and the whole
 TR> fuckin' bunch of 'em! If it wasn't for Israel.....the United States
 TR> would not be at war today! Gasoline would be priced decently, and the
 TR> majority of the world wouldn't hate us!

Its not that simple Tim, but everyone wants a whipping boy.

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