RJT>VH> Did they tell you who the people buying the guns ARE?

RJT>Of course not.  Those who do such filming are never gonna give out all the
RJT>details,  they're trying to create an impression here -- one invoving a lot
RJT>body bags heading this way...

Nor do they tell what happens afterwards.  I bet if they checked serial
numbers, the same gun gets sold over and over again. :-)

RJT>VH> Remember, in Northern Ireland, possession of a firearm was
RJT>VH> punishable by serious prison time -- A group of boys riding in a
RJT>VH> car were all sent to prison when an unloaded .22 pistol was found
RJT>VH> in the car -- and it wasn't necessary to prove they knew it was
RJT>VH> there.

RJT>I hadn't heard about that,  but it's no surprise.  And yet you still hear t
RJT>about them "settling" things there by "having the IRA
give up their guns"!

Yeah -- they think the Nationalists have forgotten how they DID give up
their guns (in 1964) and by 1969 were engaged -- with no weapons -- in a
full-scale war for their very survival.

RJT>VH> (One of the boys was Bobby Sands, who after 14 years in prison for
RJT>VH> that offense, led the hunger strike of 1980-81.)

RJT>VH> At the same time, the B-Specials, a civilian group affliated with
RJT>VH> the police and numbering a hundred thousand or so men, were ISSUED
RJT>VH> firearms. Many of these men moonlighted as Unionist terrorists, of
RJT>VH> course.

RJT>Nothing biased in that situation,  is there?

Nope, not a thing. :-)

RJT>VH> There is no nerve gas in Iraq?  The inspectors have found some!!
RJT>VH> They have found the warheads it would be loaded in.  They have
RJT>VH> found missiles to carry it to other nations?

RJT>Seems to me I recall some mention recently of a site out there in the deser
RJT>where the image conveyed sure wasn't enough to indicate *anything* conclusi
RJT>unless you really took a forensics approach to it,  but yet that's not wher
RJT>the burden in this situation lies...

That's right -- we know he HAD these things.  We know WE (or the UN) did
not destroy them.  The burden is on him to prove they're gone.

RJT>I don't believe that the average citizen there can easily walk in and buy t
RJT>type of firearms they're talking about,  not for a minute!

RJT>Got another thing that hit the news here yesterday,  somewhat more local in
RJT>scope,  and this one's a real hoot.

RJT>It seems that there are some state workers that aren't real happy.  They ge
RJT>hassled on the job,  they get threatened in the parking lot,  and they even
RJT>at least one case) get calls at home.  But in at least one instance,  that
RJT>the state's "Department of Environmental Protection", 
they're not allowed
RJT>do anything about it.  Not only can't they carry at work,  they can't bring
RJT>along and leave it in the car,  and if they're overnighting somewhere, head
RJT>for a motel in their own vehicle,  but on state business,  they can't carry
RJT>then,  either.  This all assumes a carry permit here,  of course.  You do t
RJT>you get fired.  This also applies even when the worker is way out in the mi
RJT>of nowhere,  and might have bears and other wild animals to contend with.

My position is, if the state deprives you of a basic civil right, and at
the same time deprives you of the means of self-defense, the state
automatically assumes an absolute liability for your protection.

And if enough of us say that, someday a court will rule that way.

In other words, states that have reasonable gun laws, where honest
people can carry with no hassle can hide behind the "collective right"
theory of policing -- that no individual has a right to police
protection.

But states and localities that prevent you from carrying have a choice
-- they can assign a cop to guard you, 24/7, or they can pay big bucks
if you're the victim of a violent crime.

RJT>Now it seems like this state representative from Crawford County,  wherever
RJT>that is,  along with 23 co-sponsors,  have introduced a bill that would all
RJT>those with permits to carry on the job.  The newspaper article was entitled
RJT>"Packing Heat?",  and showed a picture of somebody,  face
not shown,  but t
RJT>holster at their hip quite apparent.  The exception to this would of course
RJT>the state Capitol building,  where as it turns out I was carrying when I wa
RJT>last in there,  but that was before 9-11.  They also want these folks to be
RJT>able to carry on their way to and from work,  which is currently a no-no.

RJT>Elitist assholes!

Most of these people either have taxpayer-provided body guards, or are
wealthy enough to have hired guards.
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