Hi Jane,
 I'm not at all sure we are on topic here because we are mixing
 alcoholism (which in MY view is not an ALTMED subject) with
 even politics. Perhaps Dia could give guidance as to the legitimacy
 of this thread.
 > AF> > for in order to introduce treatment to the Soviet Union.  That,
 > AF> > incidently, began during the Cold War era and probably contributed 
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 > AF> > much to the Berlin Wall coming down as anyother action at the time.
 > AF> The Berlin Wall came down because the "East" Germans revolted...very
 > AF> quickly and before even the Russians could react. And Yelzin is an
 > AF> alcoholic BTW (as are very many Russians in powerful places). Dropping
 > AF> the price of vodka is a favourite method of keeping the folks calm.
 > Revolt of the East Germans would not have had an impact on relations
 > between this nation and Russia.
 Not quite sure what you are getting at here.
 > And this:
 > AF> > The Russian scientists were assembled in an ampitheater seating at
 > least
 > AF> > 500 to listen to a panel of the American alcoholics at one time.  
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 > AF> > best of their medical people were there that evening, listening to a
 > AF> > bunch of drunks explain just how they had managed to quit drinking.
 > This was in Gorbycheh's era.  His wife and daughter are highly educated.
 "Gorby's" Glasnost politics certainly led to the Hungarians allowing
 the first major wave of GDR refugees to escape unharmed into West
 Germany and was thus an initial trigger for the rest of the population
 to revolt almost en masse.
 > AF> They can listen all they like. The mafia "bootleggers" now even
 > AF> control the Russian economy. No company can set up shop there
 > AF> nowadays without paying protection money. Mafia films of
 > AF> executions of those who refuse are even shown on Russian news
 > AF> broadcasts. The whole country is now corrupt and alcoholism is the
 > AF> least of their problems.
 > Self will run riot seems to be in control.
 It is totally out of control and control will probably not even return
 if the Russians vote communist again (which is extremely likely).
 > And alcoholism is still one of the biggest problems they have there.
 The biggest problems they have there are an inability of the economy
 to compete on the world market (leading to unemployment and even famine-
 like conditions in some regions..and even in parts of Moscow), the
 fact that hoodlums now have almost total control of the economy and
 the fact that the proud Russian Navy are sat around twiddling their
 thumbs and itching to return to their former glory. Another
 revolution (with or without the effects of alcohol) would most
 likely lead to a return to the former communist system.
 > The mafia in Russia is run by
 > Russians, not Scilians with some immunity to alcohol.
 It is extremely effective, fast-growing and cold-blooded (even when
 operating in other countries such as Germany etc.).
 Alan
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