BG> It pisses me off no end that he's quite capable of reciting
BG> the words to most songs, and even fucking TV commercials,
BG> yet STILL hasn't bothered learning his 12X table by rote.

RS> Maybe the first stuff is just automatic, no effort required.

BG> You hear or read something often enough, you learn it.

RS> Yes, and that doesnt happen with the 12X table automatically does it ?

BG> That's what "learning by rote" means.  Nothing to do with
effort at all.

RS> Bullshit. That other stuff he is exposed to and absorbs without
RS> even thinking about it, the 12X table isnt like that, so it doesnt.

BG> No, that requires a bit of mental application,

Which is why he can do the stuff in the top para, coz its automatically
absorbed, and why he doesnt bother with the 12X coz its not.

BG> something of which he is clearly incapable.

Again, you are confusing 'incapable' with chooses not to.

BG> Maybe it's genetic?  His paternal grandmother was
BG> a half-caste, which makes him part abo after all.

I think, since most other teenagers dont bother with the 12X table
either, that its a tad more likely its teenagers, not genetics.

RS> Presumably he cant see the point in the 12X and he is right too.

BG> Bullshit, he (and you) are dead fucking wrong about that,
BG> and if you can't see that, there's no point arguing with you.

RS> Pity he cant either, and just ignores you nutty ideas |-)

BG> Like I said, there's nothing to be gained by arguing this point with you.

Like I said, he clearly feels the same way, and he is right too |-)

BG> Read the next bit again...

RS> No thanks, read it fine the first time.

BG> Perhaps you read it, but you certainly didn't comprehend it properly.

Fraid so.

BG> Yeah indeed!  He failed maths BECAUSE he didn't
BG> learn the fucking basics when he should have.

RS> Pity thats not the 12X table tho Bill.

BG> Of course it is,

Nope, its utterly irrelevant to it.

BG> and it's just one of many basic rules and formulae which he failed
BG> to grasp when he should have.  Everybody else appeared capable.

Pity that many education systems dont even bother to TEACH the
12X table anymore Bill. Nice theory, pity about the reality tho.

BG> Can you imagine anybody gaining an electrical engineering degree
BG> without first learning and understanding Ohm's Law?  I sure can't.

RS> Pity that says SFA about the 12X table tho.

BG> It's a perfectly valid analogy Rod.

Nope, utterly irrelevant, because the 12X table memorised isnt required
to operate in that environment. *I'VE' never bothered to memorise it.
Hasnt caused me any problem whatever. The lack of Ohms law would have.

BG> Dunno, I'd have hoped he would respect our examples considerably
BG> more than those of his peers, but it would appear not.

RS> Its an unusual teenager who does. Thats what teenagers do mostly.

BG> Which is precisely why they should all be fucked and burned.

They presumably feel the same way about old farts like you |-)

BG> Yeah, I know.  I was a teenager once, in case you've forgotten.

RS> So you silly claim has gone bang hasnt it ?  Its NOT just lazy.

BG> Nope, I rebelled, just like any teenager would,

So its not just lazy is it ?  You claimed

  BG> Even worse, it's simply extreme laziness on his part.

Its actually a tad more complicated than that.

BG> but still had the intelligence and nous to realise that
BG> unless I did well at school, I would be fucked in later life.

Yes, and not all teenagers operate like that. In fact it not that common.

BG> And this was when you could get a job anywhere, mid '60s.

So you were wrong even then too |-)

RS> And which they have an almost automatic tendency to do the exact opposite.

BG> So whose fault is that then?  It sure ain't ours.

RS> Never said it was, its just the way most teenagers operate.

BG> Shows just how stupid they all are then, doesn't it.

People have been saying that about teenagers for millennia Bill |-)
And people have been saying it about old farts for millennia too |-)

RS> It part of distancing themselves from their parents and flaunting
RS> their right to make decisions for themselves, which are often pretty
RS> stupid decisions, precisely because they are usually in no position
RS> to make decent ones. Thats the  way the vast bulk of teenagers operate
RS> Bill. Its just another manifestation of the old saw about teenagers
RS> thinking they know everything. Humans beings evolved that way basically.

BG> You're talking about learning by experience, which
BG> in this day and age, is totally unnecessary.

Fraid not. You only have to watch what people do about backups, for many
people its the first catastrophe that makes them do something better.

And if you seriously think that you will ever convince most teenagers
that they should just listen to the wisdom of their elders and betters,
when humans have evolved like I listed, you are in for a fucking big
surprise, they dont work like that Bill.

BG> They have more educational material available than at any other
BG> time in history, yet they still don't want to know about it.

Yes, coz humans have evolved in a way that causes teenagers to behave
like that Bill. Better get used to it, it wont be changing any time
soon just because that produces a result that hard to live with.

BG> Then they lack respect for their parents and their opinions.

RS> They do indeed. Have you only just noticed that ?


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