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to: MURRAY WALLACE
from: JIM COLE
date: 1997-07-10 08:54:00
subject: Windmill Starts

MW> JC> I know that 3 and 4 engine aircraft are ferried but I know of no
MW> JC> proceedure that would approve a 2 engine (single engine ferry).
MW> Hey Jim - Two engine ferry was an approved (and stupid)
MW> procedure on the B-727-200. I would never have any part of
MW> doing or approving one. It was an added certification to
MW> the Flight Manual and an airline had to pay Boeing extra
MW> for the certification.
I think you probably misunderstood my statement above Murry.  Yes, we 
had the 3 and 4 engine aircraft ferry as I said above.  What I said  is 
I know of none that approve of a 2 engined aircraft trying to ferry on 
one engine. We had a Certified Ferry Crew at Tulsa that did it under 
certain conditions.  It was always nice if it happened to be #3 that was 
out on the 727.  Gave you a small margin of safety.  I agree that it was 
basically a stupid procedure also.  But you know Companies.  They will 
do anything to save a buck.
MW>BTW - Away back in the dark 40's and 50's there was an
MW>approved procedure for a windmill start on some 4-engined
MW>types, but you were not supposed to take off.There were long
MW>runway requirements, and you just got going like hell and
MW>hope it started before you had to stop!
That's pretty much what Richard said in his post.  Since I was never 
involved with 4,6,7 I really don't know what their procedure was to 
handle it....Jim....
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