From: "John Fitzsimons" 
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.channeling
Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc, Australia
Original Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:34:55 GMT
On Thu, 09 Jan 1997 22:11:45 -0800, Debra  wrote:
>John Fitzsimons wrote:
 
 
>> > those who channel often are experiencing health difficulties.
 
>> I know many people who don't channel who are experiencing health
>> difficulties. Your point ?
>Yours??  It would be appreciated if you didn't use that particular 
>tactic.  It's passive-agressive.  My point was stated:  Some people can 
>experience health difficulties due to channelling.  Is that clear enough? 
You didn't say "due to" in your previous post. Had you done so then
clarification wouldn't have been required.
> I don't with to start a flame war here, but your manner is more than a 
>trifle condescending.  Can you please try for an open mind?
Perhaps you could listen to your own advice.  :-)
 
>> If you are suggesting a connection then I would partly agree with you.
>> Many mediums are poorly trained and therefore have more discordant
>> energies/entities in their auras than they should. This can result in
>> physical ill health manifesting.   :-)
>Okay, so many are poorly trained.  Some are incredibly well trained, and 
>still can have difficulties.  Forgive me, this is not meant as an 
>attack on you, but it sounds like your underlying assumption is the old 
>"if you were spiritually advanced enough, you would understand, or 
>wouldn't have this problem" line.  Could you go into this in more detail?
Yep. A lot of mediums don't know how to properly clear discordant
energy and/or entities from around themselves prior to channelling.
This can result in their "taking in" to their aura influences that can
be detrimental to their health.  An increase in psychic draining,
aches, pains, and increased  vulnerability to physical/mental/
emotional problems can be the outcome.
A properly trained medium however can do the opposite. Have very
positive energy and entities enter their aura. This can result in
psychic energisation (healing), reduction in aches, pain, and a
reduction in physical/mental and emotional problems.
 
>> > I have stopped doing readings for
>> >people because for some reason I cannot keep my energy from bleeding off
>> >and getting sick when I do this.
 
>> "Psychic draining" isn't limited only to psychic readers. It happens
>> in many of the caring professions. Particularly to those people who
>> don't properly apply psychic protection techniques.
>Yes, I am well aware of this.  Just because it happens elsewhere, 
>however, it doesn't necessarily follow that the cause is identical. 
Correct. However it often is.  :-)
> I am 
>not sure what you are trying to tell me here.  Sounds like you're being 
>judgemental about poor me and my training and you don't know a thing 
>about me.  Tsk, tsk.
>> > That isn't channeling, but it is a similar problem.
 
>> Moot point. Many readers are doing mental channeling.  :-)
>Mental channelling?  What do you mean by that?  If it comes through your 
>mind, it's mental.  I am unclear on what you mean precisely.  I assume 
>you feel any data received from "beyond" that comes to you solely in 
>mental form, without physical manifestation?
That, and usually coming from spirit sources. 
>   First, I think your underlying assumption is fundamentally opposed to 
>mine. 

> Basically, I gather that you see all interaction with the 
>non-physical as "channelling".  
Sounds like you're being judgemental about poor me and my opinions
and you don't know a thing about me.  Tsk, tsk.
>That implies that all thoughts are channelled from elsewhere, too. 
If your assumption is wrong to start with then chances are so will
your conclusion be.  :-)
> After all, they don't have a physical 
>base that has yet been determined, and neither has the spirit, or soul - 
>so it is channeled?? 
Thoughts can be channelled. Correct. You can channel your own 
thoughts by talking.  :-)
> I mean, that is the logical extension of your statement. 
"My" statement ? You mean your interpretation of my statement.
I suggest you keep to what I have said rather than a misrepresentation
of what I have said.
> It renders your statements somewhat unworkable for me.
G o l l y   !
 
>> If one is doing "inspired writing" then they are doing mental
>> channeling. If doing "automatic writing" then their hand is in trance.
>Okay, I agree.  But I am not confident that your three categories cover 
>all the possible types of information. 
Did I say that they would ?
>You list mental, physical and 
>partial posession (i.e. automatic writing).  But if your higher self 
>feeds you information - like reading the akashic records - is that really 
>channelling? 
Some would say that opening a channel to the spirit dimensions and
passing the resultant information back would be a form of channeling.
:-)
> Okay, so this could be construed as splitting hairs,
Good. Something we agree on.   :-)
> but I 
>think it is an important point, in particular when you imply that one 
>needs to have proper psychic protection any time you receive any psychic 
>information.  If I continued with that line of thought, I could come up 
>with the concept that I would need to protect myself psychically from my 
>own thoughts.  
Good point. If more people were to negate their own negative thoughts
then we would probably have fewer suicides, crime and violence in our
society.
A better approach however would be to not have the negative thoughts
in the first place.
>That sounds like a way to bring on a good case of schizophrenia... 
Negating negativity brings on schizophrenia ? That's news to me !
>    I don't disagree with you completely.  You make some good points.
Wow ! Is that right ? A trifle condescending aren't we ?
I can't help but get the impression that you are assuming that your
interpretation of how things work is the one true way.
  
Regards, John.
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