-=> Quoting Matt Smith to Michael Martinez <=-
 MM> This is a nice quote from Ivan Illich, _Gender_.
 MM> " Under the reign of gender, men and women collectively depend on
 MM> eachother; their mutual dependence sets limits to struggle,
 MS> Really?
 MS> Women were more exploited when they were _legally_ treated as the
 MS> property of their husbands.  Their is a state appeals court decision
 MS> in this state from that era that allowed a husband to legally beat his
 MS> wife with any stick small enough to put through her wedding ring (and
 MS> such rules were common in other states). "Mutual dependence sets
 MS> limits to struggle"?  The economic dependence of those days was
 MS> entirely of the woman's dependence on her husband!   
That's right.  That's the problem with it.  It's _economic_, not
subsistence-based.
 MM> In contrast to this truce, the regime of [economic] scarcity imposes
 MM> continued war and ever new kinds of defeat on each woman.  While 
 MM> under
 MM> the reign of gender women might be subordinate, under ANY economic
 MM> regime they are ONLY the second sex.
 MS> There are a lot of women richer than either me or you.  
 MS> That's hardly "only the second sex"!
THere's many men who are rich.  What's your point?
-michael
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