The essence of the problem with extern evictions is that no matter what
time extern runs, it will favor some players over others. Largely because
of time zone differences, but also because of normal R/L things like work
schedules, and additionally the odd "emergency".

Midnight EST for me is my local midnight. For you, Brandi, it is a local
9.00 pm. For OZ and NZ players, probably somewhere during the daytime
working hours. Hawaii a peachy 7.00 pm local. Dr Who, 5.00 am local. I
don't see that as an even field for 2 months. I never have, and have been
so posting for years. Dr. Bad has also so posted more than once.

Kav


>From a message by SLG about Re: USO Intial Planet Edits Released:
> I agree with space ghost... the one thing that sets these tourney's apart 
and makes them unique are the edits.....I think the fed space parking 
should remain the way it is..... tourney's are supposed to be a little 
harder, and require a little more effort... with the timer login scripts, 
it shouldn't be much of a problem.... and i know if i'm going out somewhere 
and extern becomes iffy, i plan for it in advance and make other 
arrangements with my corpies...

You change the edits too much and it stops being the uso... at that point, 
you might as well call it Hardcoded's Tourney for Pussies' who can't make 
extern.... it's harsh yes, but everyone is always asking for high level 
competitive games.. softening the edits takes away from that as well takes 
the game to a lower level of play and commitment...

My vote is to leave extern alone.. everyone has real life issues, crisis's 
etc.. it's an edit that doesn't really favor anyone and makes the game unique



At 02:38 PM 12/18/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>I dont know ghost, I understand we need to keep the game tough and high 
>end. But to be forced to make the game every night at midnight for 60 days 
>just sux. Like many of us said, we have girlfriends, boyfriends, spouses 
>and all the familly and events that go along with that. Kids are a big 
>thing, suppose you expected to be online at xtern but your kid has to go 
>the hospital? You had no time to notify your corpmates to break you a hole 
>or anything. SO what now you loose an entire day and possibly weeks worth 
>of work because a RL emergency?
>So many times I have raced home from a social event so that I could log on 
>for 30 seconds and then cloak out. I think its a silly rule. I am still 
>debating, but I am leaning towards a 3-5 ship limit.
>Silver Dragon (Moderator USO 2003)
> >From a message by Space Ghost about Re: USO Intial Planet Edits Released:
> > I vote leave it alone...
>
>Traditionally it has been a setting in the USO
>and i think it makes people put in more effort
>and time investment in a game....
>
>Kav is correct  there is no skill to be online at Exturn.....
>
>However there is Dedication and perservernce...
>This is a Top 4 Tournament...Lets not turn it into
>Club Med . You need to make Exturn or be experienced enuff that not making
>it isnt a problem for you.
>
>Leave it alone!
>
>
>Space Ghost
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Silver Dragon" 
>To: 
>Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:32 AM
>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: USO Intial Planet Edits Released
>
>
> >
> > This issue has crossed my mind. The setting is like it is now because
>thats how its always been. But I to never understood why a game should be
>decided on if you can make it every night by midnight. There have been
>nights were I raced home in my car to get on my comp at 12:01 just in time
>to read in the logs I was photoned and killed. So I am debating allowing fed
>parking. Anyone else have a feeling on this?
> > Silver Dragon (Moderator USO 2003)
> > >From a message by Kemper3 about Re: USO Intial Planet Edits Released:
> > > If you are unable to make extern, you just need to make sure you have
> > some place secure in space to stay.  With no time limit, I don't see
> > that it should make much of a difference anyway.
> >
> > On 18 Dec 2002 at 11:01, Kavanagh wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > What has the ability to stay up half the night got to do with skill at
>playing tradewars anyway. Always baffled me.
> > >
> > > >From a message by Father Cajone about Re: USO Intial Planet Edits
>Released:
> > > > Actually my feelings about Fed Parking is that after
1st week maybe
>reduce Parking to 3-4 instead of zero?  Sometimes real life situations
>happen like kids getting sick, family accidents, having work schedules
>interfere forcing choice between game and making a couple hundred bucks
>toward real
> > life expenses, car breaking down on way home from work, unexpected guests,
>mandatory out of town company training seminars, personal illness, mad late
>night attempt to complete term paper due in the morning, etc ad nauseum.
>Can anybody add more to this partial list?
> > >  >
> > >  > >From a message by Silver Dragon about Re: USO
Intial Planet Edits
>Released:
> > >  > > Ya those descriptions were there and then I
played a bit with the
>settings and havent updated it yet. But youre right hehe.
> > >  >  > Midnight EST extern=YES
> > >  >  > 1st week 100 fed parking after that 0=YES
> > >  >  > TWA file=YES
> > >  >  > Info sharing allowed?=YES
> > >  >  > Mega corping allowed?=NO
> > >  >  > Time Limit=NONE
> > >  >  > All this will be revealed when I get the web
page done. It is two
>months away so bare with me while I get the page together.
> > >  >  > Silver Dragon (Moderator USO 2003!)
> > >  >  > >From a message by prestone about Re: USO
Intial Planet Edits
>Released:
> > >  >  > > good job on planet edits. only confusing
thing i see is in the
>planet descriptions where it says 2 planets have the 2nd fastest cits. looks
>like the black mountain is the 2nd fastest, plains of war is 3rd.
> > >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  > here are my suggestions for some of the
other settings for the
>game:
> > >  >  >  > midnight EST extern.
> > >  >  >  > 1st week Fed parking 100, after that 0 Fed parking.
> > >  >  >  > release .twa file ahead of time, if some
of the edits are
> > >  >  >  > not as advertised, this will allow
edit/web changes to be made
>before the game starts.
> > >  >  >  > info sharing should be allowed,
megacorping shouldn't.
> > >  >  >  > no time limit until time limit issues have
been resolved
> > >  >  >  > in twgs.
> > >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  > >From a message by Silver Dragon about
USO Intial Planet Edits
>Released:
> > >  >  >  > > Ok these are the edits I am toying
with. These are not set in
>stone but I want to release them so people can get a flavor of what I am
>thinking. Plus I am looking for some input. Please only constructive
>comments.
> > >  >  >  >  > Keep in mind I am limiting planets
per sector to just 3
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > **Important Notice about planet edits**
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > THE FIGHTER PRODUCTIONS LISTED ARE
NOT EXACT NUMBERS. IT
>VARRIES DEPENDING WHERE YOU PUT
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > YOUR COLONISTS ON YOUR PLANET. THE
NUMBER YOU SEE HERE IS
>WHAT WENT INTO TEDIT AND REFLECTS
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > WHAT IT WOULD BE UNDER IDEAL
CONDITIONS. I STATED FOR EACH
>PLANET WHAT THE FIGHTER
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > PRODUCTION LEVEL IS WHEN EACH
PRODUCT IS AT OPTIMUM
>POPULATION. OTHER CONFIGURATIONS MAY
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > LEAD TO HIGHER PRODUCTIONS BUT THIS
IS TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA.
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Planet Edits
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Plains of War
> > >  >  >  >  > This planet is the second fastest to
upgrade and has
>generally good production.
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > FUel 2:1 (Max Colonists 100,000)
> > >  >  >  >  > Organics 3:1 (Max Colonists 100,000)
> > >  >  >  >  > Equipment 5:1 (Max Colonists 100,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Fighters 10:1 (Optimum population=
5,000 per day)
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Capacity
> > >  >  >  >  > Fuel= 500,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Organics= 500,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Equipment= 500,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Fighters= 1,000,000
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Citadel
> > >  >  >  >  > 0-1= 1 day
> > >  >  >  >  > 1-2= 2 days
> > >  >  >  >  > 2-3= 2 days
> > >  >  >  >  > 3-4= 4 days (Total 9 days to reach lvl 4)
> > >  >  >  >  > 4-5= 3 days
> > >  >  >  >  > 5-6= 7 days (Total 19 days to reach lvl 6)
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Arid Desert
> > >  >  >  >  > Planet has Poor Production with the
exception of FUel ore.
>Colonists have mined these
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > worlds for much valued Fuel.
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Fuel 1:1 (Max Colonists 60,000)
> > >  >  >  >  > Organics 100:1 (Max Colonists 40,000)
> > >  >  >  >  > Equipment 500:1 (Max Colonists 40,000)
> > >  >  >  >  > Fighters 15:1 (Optimum population
2,000 per day)
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Capacity
> > >  >  >  >  > Fuel= 800,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Organics= 50,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Equipment= 10,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Fighters= 1,000,000
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Citadel
> > >  >  >  >  > 0-1= 3 Days
> > >  >  >  >  > 1-2= 3 Days
> > >  >  >  >  > 2-3= 4 Days
> > >  >  >  >  > 3-4= 2 Days (Total 12 Days to reach level 4)
> > >  >  >  >  > 4-5= 2 Days
> > >  >  >  >  > 5-6= 8 Days (Total 22 Days to reach level 6)
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Titanic Aquafina
> > >  >  >  >  > A large planet mostly covered with
water, slow to upgrade
>but Farms well. Also is the
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > second best fighter producer out of
the classes due to its
>expansive open spaces.
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Fuel 5:1 (Max Colonists 200,000)
> > >  >  >  >  > Organics 1:1 (Max Colonists 200,000)
> > >  >  >  >  > Equipment 20:1 (Max Colonists 200,000)
> > >  >  >  >  > fighters 6:1 (Optimum population 20,000)
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Capacity
> > >  >  >  >  > Fuel= 300,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Organics= 1,000,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Equipment= 100,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Fighters= 2,000,000
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Citadel
> > >  >  >  >  > 0-1 (3 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 1-2 (3 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 2-3 (6 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 3-4 (4 Days) (Total 16 days to reach lvl 4)
> > >  >  >  >  > 4-5 (2 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 5-6 (4 Days) (Total 22 days to reach lvl 6)
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Black Mountains
> > >  >  >  >  > The black coloration comes from a
strange alloy which yields
>a good amount of metal ore for
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > equipment production. Because of
this, citadel constructions
>are second fastest, the only
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > planet that upgrades faster is the
USO proto-Type.
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Fuel 2:1 (Max Colonists 80,000)
> > >  >  >  >  > Organics 5:1 (Max Colonists 80,000)
> > >  >  >  >  > Equipment 5:1 (Max Colonists 80,000)
> > >  >  >  >  > Fighters 7:1 (Optimum Population
5,000 per day)
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Capacity
> > >  >  >  >  > Fuel 300,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Organics 200,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Equipment 500,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Fighters 3,000,000
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Citadel
> > >  >  >  >  > 0-1 (1 Day)
> > >  >  >  >  > 1-2 (2 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 2-3 (3 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 3-4 (2 Days) (Total 8 Days to reach level 4)
> > >  >  >  >  > 4-5 (5 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 5-6 (6 Days) (Total 19 Days to reach level 6)
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Glacial
> > >  >  >  >  > THis planet has a cold climate, so
cold any production is
>very expensive and slow. Building
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > any type of structures is also slow
going. This Planet is
>not much use to the federation.
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Fuel 50:1 (Max Colonists 100,000)
> > >  >  >  >  > Organics 100:1 (Max Colonists 100,000)
> > >  >  >  >  > Equipment 500:1 (Max Colonists 100,000)
> > >  >  >  >  > Fighters 25:1
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Capacity
> > >  >  >  >  > Fuel= 20,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Organics= 50,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Equipment= 10,000
> > >  >  >  >  > FIghters 1,000,000
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Citadel
> > >  >  >  >  > 0-1 (5 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 1-2 (5 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 2-3 (7 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 3-4 (5 Days) (Total 22 days to reach level 4)
> > >  >  >  >  > 4-5 (4 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 5-6 (8 Days) (Total 34 days to reach level 6)
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > DIABLO
> > >  >  >  >  > A fiercly hostile planet. Extreme
heat and volcanic ativity
>make it hard to live there.
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > This is the primary planet used by
the federation fleet for
>defense of territory. Its rich
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Fuel ore base give a quasar canon a
nice punch. It produces
>little if anything else but is
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > used to defend weaker more
productive planet classes.
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Fuel= 1:1 (Max Colonists 150,000)
> > >  >  >  >  > Organics= No Production
> > >  >  >  >  > Equipment= 500:1 (Max Colonists 100,000)
> > >  >  >  >  > Fighters= 50:1
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Capacity
> > >  >  >  >  > Fuel= 2,000,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Organics= 10,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Equipment= 100,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Fighters= 3,000,000
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Citadel
> > >  >  >  >  > 0-1 (3 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 1-2 (3 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 2-3 (4 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 3-4 (6 Days) (Total 16 Days to reach level 4)
> > >  >  >  >  > 4-5 (3 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 5-6 (5 Days) (Total 24 days to reach level 6)
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Gas Giant
> > >  >  >  >  > This planet is also of little use to
the federation, it is
>mostly used for testing of
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > anti-matter weapons for the fleet.
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Fuel= No Production
> > >  >  >  >  > Organics= No Production
> > >  >  >  >  > Equipment= No Production
> > >  >  >  >  > Fighters= No Production
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Capacity
> > >  >  >  >  > Fuel= 10,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Organics= 10,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Equipment= 10,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Fighters= 1,000,000
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Citadel
> > >  >  >  >  > 0-1 (8 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 1-2 (4 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 2-3 (5 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 3-4 (5 Days) (Total 22 days to reach level 4)
> > >  >  >  >  > 4-5 (4 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 5-6 (8 Days) (34 Days to reach level 6)
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > USO
> > >  >  >  >  > This is an experimental Planet. It
is the first planet type
>to be created in a lab. It was
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > designed after the DIABLO but with a
more mild climate
>allowing easier construction of
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > buildings and fighters. As a result
its quasar canon is far
>weaker but it ability to
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > control a huger fighter squadron
makes up for it. Also
>advances in shield generation allows
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > this planet to carry a heavier
shield generator.
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Fuel 1:1 (Max Colonists 100,000)
> > >  >  >  >  > Organics 5:1 (Max Colonists 100,000)
> > >  >  >  >  > Equipment 5:1 (Max Colonists 100,000)
> > >  >  >  >  > Fighters 5:1 (Optimum population
14,000 per day)
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Capacity
> > >  >  >  >  > Fuel= 1,000,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Organics= 500,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Equipment= 500,000
> > >  >  >  >  > Fighters= 5,000,000
> > >  >  >  >  > *Shields*= 60,000
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > Citadel
> > >  >  >  >  > 0-1 (1 Day)
> > >  >  >  >  > 1-2 (2 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 2-3 (2 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 3-4 (1 Day) (Total 6 days to reach level 4)
> > >  >  >  >  > 4-5 (4 Days)
> > >  >  >  >  > 5-6 (5 Days) (Total 15 days to reach level 6)
> > >  >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >  >  > What do we think? Goal in mind is to
keep the game as active
>and dynamic as possible. Remember game only lasts for 60 days.
> > >  >  >  >  > Silver Dragon (Moderator USO 2003!)
> > >  >  >  >  > www.planettw.com
> > >  >  >  >  > Telnet://hardcoded.dnsalias.org
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> > >  >  >  >
> > >  >  >
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