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to: Earl Croasmun
from: Bob Klahn
date: 2008-04-06 16:58:00
subject: GOING SENILE?

->> Wait a minute. You said there was nothing saying he was conducting
->> operations, and now you say he was released to set up the capability
->> of conducting operations.

 EC> You are making stuff up again, Bob.  I never said "there
 EC> was nothing saying he was conducting operations."  I

 Do you think you could actually try giving an answer that means
 something then?

 EC> pointed out where you dishonestly misrepresented a news
 EC> report by claiming that IT SAID he was conducting
 EC> operations when in fact THAT REPORT said no such thing.

 Uh... that report, if it's the one I think, had Saad Bin Laden
 in communication with Al Qaeda, receiving reports. You had him
 organizing terror cells, somewhere somehow.

 That's conducting operations. Call it what you will.

 EC> And I did not say that he was released to conduct
 EC> operations.  I pointed out that there were news reports
 EC> indicating that he had been released from house arrest.
 EC> There were also earlier reports citing unnamed Western
 EC> intelligence sources saying that he was not even under
 EC> house arrest and was free to move around in 2005.  The 2006
 EC> stories further indicated that Iran was making use of his
 EC> services to prepare terrorist cells.  If you are trying to
 EC> say something, try harder.  Nothing is coming out.

 There are reports that Bush went AWOL from the TANG. Well
 Supported.

 There are reports that Bush used cocaine. Probably true.

 There are reports that Bush was a drunk. clearly true.

 There are reports that the republicans stole the 2000 election.
 Proven true.

 Now, as to reports of Saad Bin Laden being released to set up
 terror cells. Either claim them or disown them, but don't try
 playing that "you didn't hear that from me" game.

 There are reports about almost anything you can think of, so
 tell me which reports you will accept and which you will claim.
 Otherwise they are all meaningless hot air.

 OH, and if you delete the claims in question, then I accept that
 as your admission.

 I gave you a report that the CIA told Bush Saad Bin Laden was
 being held in Iran. I am accepting the CIA as a reliable source
 until shown otherwise.

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*Al-Qaeda Suspects Color White House Debate Over Iran*

By Dafna Linzer
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, February 10, 2007; A01

 ...

 U.S. officials have asserted for years that several dozen
 al-Qaeda fighters, including Osama bin Laden's son, slipped
 across the Afghan border into Iran as U.S. troops hunted for the
 perpetrators of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. U.S. and allied
 intelligence services, which have monitored the men's presence
 inside Iran, reported that Tehran was holding them under house
 arrest as bargaining chips for potential deals with Washington.

 Last fall, Bush administration officials asked the CIA to
 compile a list of those suspects so the White House could
 publicize their presence. For years, the administration has not
 revealed their names, in part because it sought to protect its
 intelligence sources but also because at the time the U.S.
 government was concealing the identities of suspects it was
 holding in secret CIA custody.

 But the names of some of the men in Iran have become public,
 including "high-value" targets such as al-Qaeda spokesman
 Sulaiman Abu Ghaith of Kuwait and Saif al-Adel of Egypt U.S.
 intelligence officials said they are members of the "al-Qaeda
 operational management committee." U.S. intelligence officials
 said there are suspicions, but no proof, that one of them may
 have been involved from afar in planning an attack in Riyadh,
 Saudi Arabia in May 2003. Intelligence officials said bin
 Laden's son Saad is also being held with the other men in Iran.

 Five administration officials were made available for interviews
 for this story on the condition that they not be identified.
 Other officials who spoke without permission -- including senior
 officials, career analysts and policymakers -- said their
 standing with the White House would be at risk if they were
 quoted by name.

 ...

 Since al-Qaeda fighters began streaming into Iran from
 Afghanistan in the winter of 2001, Tehran had turned over
 hundreds of people to U.S. allies and provided U.S. intelligence
 with the names, photographs and fingerprints of those it held in
 custody, according to senior U.S. intelligence and
 administration officials. In early 2003, it offered to hand over
 the remaining high-value targets directly to the United States
 if Washington would turn over a group of exiled Iranian
 militants hiding in Iraq.

 ...

 Officials have said Bush ultimately rejected the exchange on
 the advice of Vice President Cheney and then-Defense Secretary
 Donald H. Rumsfeld,

 ...

 But another government official predicted that no European
 country would support a call on Iran to turn the al-Qaeda group
 over to U.S. military detention at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba a
 facility widely condemned by Washington's closest allies. In
 the past

 ...

 "We'd be happy to see them face trial anywhere," a senior
 administration official said.

 /Staff researcher Julie Tate contributed to this report./

 © 2008 The Washington Post Company

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BOB KLAHN bob.klahn{at}sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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