-[ Quoting Day Brown , to Dennis Menard ]-
 DB> Only a fool would assume that any, or even many of the, black
 DB> men he meets is, or would be, a murderer.
Agreed.
 DB> Yet the facts are that blacks murder blacks more than whites do
 DB> whites, asians do asians, amerinds do amerinds, or even hispanic
 DB> do hispanics.  Apparently, a death sentance is less of a lesson
 DB> to members of their culture.
Perhaps.  But, do we have all the facts?  Have the studies been done, and
the results been made available, to the public, which illustrate the inevit-
ability of this conclusion?  And do we really want to "solve" the problem or
simply appear to solve it, by eliminating it by the most expedient method
available?  Can we consider avoiding a "solution" to be justice?  Statistics
can be creatively manipulated to show what the compiler wishes them to show;
how can we be sure that statistical facts really  the "facts"?
 DB> Yet the facts are that blacks murder more members of other races
 DB> than any other race in America.  Now, we have been locking people
 DB> up more, and longer than we usta, and we see, on the one hand,
 DB> the prisons are stuffed to the gills, but the crime rate is down.
 DB> Maybe there is a connection here?
Yes, maybe.  Below, I include some "facts" which are easy for you to verify.
Could you explain for me how your understanding might be able to accommodate
these facts?  Are these facts really facts?  How can we tell?  By whether we
disagree with them, or not?
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Florida's homicide rates in 1976, 1977, and 1978 were the lowest on record
in the state.  Florida resumed executions in 1979 after nearly 15 years
without executions. The state's murder rates in 1980, 1981 and 1982 were the
highest in recent history, increasing 28% in 1980.
Georgia, resuming executions in 1983, experienced a 20% increase in the
homicide rate in 1984, a year in which the national homicide rate fell 5%.
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 DB> I hear black leaders complain of the longer sentances for crack
 DB> dealers in the hood than the coke dealers in the burbs, but I
 DB> havta wonder, does that mean these leaders want these parasites
 DB> to practice more in their community? I mean what else are these
 DB> dealers going to do if we let them out?  Helloooo.....?
"Why" did they become dealers in the first place?  What was the incentive
for them to become dealers?  If the only solution is to incarcerate a person
forever ... or execute him ... IS that really a "solution" or just a case of
sweeping the problem under the rug so we don't have to see it?  Seriously?
 DB> If we wanted to damage the white community, would we not set all
 DB> the white coke dealers free?  If you care about a community, do
 DB> you not want to remove all the social predators?  Or do you want
 DB> some sort of quota system, where you only lock up 40% of them so
 DB> that the prison population is more representative of the racial
 DB> mix of society at large? affirmative action prison?  scuze me?
Check out, for example, Albert F. Sabo's judicial record in Philadelphia,
and then tell me that, potential white and black criminals are pursued with
equal zeal.  If we look for criminal activities, we "will" find them.  And,
if we look for them more over HERE than over THERE, rest assured that we'll
find more OF them over HERE.  I don't disagree with you on this, Day; but
this is an important point, as well.
 DB> I guess only a racist like me thinks of stuff like this.
Sheesh!  This kind of statement does not become you ...
 DB> I spoze there might be another effective way to control crime,
 DB> but I have not seen any program that we could afford that was
 DB> also effective.  Have you seen anything else?
I have only one question to this: Is "justice" measureable by cost?  If it
is, then it's affordable only by those who can afford to pay for it; is that
what we call "justice"?
If your answer to both those questions is, "Yes," then I respectfully must
resign this thread as I am unable to agree.
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