EC>> I asked if you would consider it racist to call a black
 EC>> person an "oreo cookie."  Your answer here was that you
 EC>> "can imagine" someone saying it. You imagine things all the
 EC>> time.  That wasn't the question.  The question was whether
 EC>> it would be a racist remark.  But no matter, since later on
 EC>> you got around to saying that you WOULD consider it racist.

->> When did I say that?

 EC> I gave three examples in response to your earlier question.
 EC>  You said (after your usual babbling) that all three
 EC>  examples would be racist, but you denied that you said any

 Uh... no... I said the last one was racist. It was used many
 times, but never by me, and they were racist statments. I did
 not say the first two were racist statements.

 You have cut out the middle portion to make it look like I said
 something I didn't say. Dishonest editing is part of your modus
 operandi.

 EC>  of them.  And now you can deny ever saying THAT.  It was

 And you kept insisting on the word, launderer, which never
 appeared in any form that I can recall.

 EC>  pretty funny when you fell back to that obvious lie in the
 EC>  Bosch thread, but now it has gotten old.  Just like your

 You dropped that BS back when I pointed out that you were
 creatively interpreting to defend a terrorist. That and
 contradicting yourself.

 EC>  PeeWee Herman impression has gotten old.  You are a

 You and your side are the ones who do the Pee Wee Herman
 impression. I do not consider your act a legitimate answer to
 anything.

 EC>  comedian, Bob!  Get fresh material!

 You need to pratice your creative editing. You have been caught
 at it repeatedly. Oh, better yet, don't practice it against
 someone who keeps archives.

 I will say this. If you call someone an oreo it will probably be
 racist, if you call someone a poverty pimp it will probably be
 racist. You might call someone a cook and it not be racist, but
 you might just call someone a cook and it will be racist.

 See, there are a lot of things that can be racist, depending on
 how it is intended. I believe the term "poverty pimp" was used
 by a racist, and it's intent was racial disparagment. However,
 that does not make the term itself racist.

 The "cook" reference was used by someone I am quite convinced
 intended it in a racist connotation. But the word itself is not
 racist.

 I do not see the word Oreo being used in a racist way in any
 case I have seen it.

 And the question was, can you show where I made a racist
 statement in Fido. You haven't, so you are making all this up to
 answer a question that was not asked, because you fail to answer
 the question that was asked.

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->> I do not believe I have ever referred to anyone as an oreo.

 EC> Would it be a racist remark to call a black person an "oreo
 EC> cookie?"

 I wouldn't say. I can imagine a black person would say it to
 another black person. In fact, I have known it to happen. It
 implies a sellout.

 However, I would not use the term.

 EC>> your interpretation that the term "poverty pimp" had
 EC>> to refer to a specific racial group,

->> Where has it ever been used to refer to anyone other than a black
->> liberal or a democrat who is working for racial justice?

 EC> An irrelevant question, but the part after the "or"
 EC> undercuts the notion that it is racially exclusive.

 Uh... what is your point? That makes your original statment a
 non-sequitor.

 For that matter, I never once even suggested the term "poverty
 pimp" had to apply only to blacks. However, when it is applied
 to Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton it's not an unreasonable
 interpretation for that particular person's usage.

 And remember, that was not a statement on my part, but an
 interpretation of another's statement, which appeared to
 interpret it the way he meant it, as no one has ever corrected
 it.

 EC>> and your racial stereotypes for the occupations of cook and

->> Black people have long been stereotyped as cooks, in movies and TV.

 EC> And by you.  You asked.  All three answers stand.

 Nope. I never said those things. So they were racist statements,
 but on the part of someone else, never me. Show where I made a
 racist statment. Not where you did, or someone else did, and I
 interpreted it correctly.

 Oh, and you completely deleted the part where I pointed out that
 no one used the term "launder" or anything close to it.

 Of course, deleting material when you are caught red handed is
 your usual modus operandi. You seem to think you can pretend it
 didn't happen.

 Instead you are caught. You lie again.


FORUM:   Fido-Crossfire --                    HOST: FIDOTEL
DATE:    Apr-7-08 7:15am                      MSG:  8875
FROM:    Earl Croasmun
TO:      Bob Klahn
SUBJECT: REMARKS


-> I wouldn't say. I can imagine a black person would say it to another
-> black person.

Not an answer.

-> Nope. I never said those things. So they were racist statements, but
-> on the part of someone else, never me.

Ah, finally an answer after 40 lines of your evasions.

-> Oh, and you completely deleted the part where I pointed out that no
-> one used the term "launder" or anything close to it.

"Laundry" is pretty close to "launder."

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