EC>> And by you.  You asked.  All three answers stand.

->> Nope. I never said those things. So they were racist statements, but
->> on the part of someone else, never me

 EC> Note that you asked a question.  I gave three answers.
 EC> After I dealt with your incoherent response, I pointed out
 EC> that all three examples stood.

 You lied about that.

 EC> Your answer was that they
 EC> were racist statements but that you never said them.  I

 The last example of yours was a combination of two statements.
 Those were racist statements. Well, the one that was actually
 used. The second one was never in the original exchange, years
 back, you screwed that one up completely.

 The second example you gave would be a racist statement if you
 used it, and I can't imagine seeing anyone but people like you
 using it, with a racist meaning.

 The first example may or may not be racist, I don't plan to
 judge it. I am sure, if you used it, it would be racist, though.

 EC> waited to see if you were going to go back and play word
 EC> games, and sure enough you did.  And you couldn't even
 EC> summon up one brief moment of integrity to frame it as you

 Here is the original context.

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 EC>> your interpretation that the term "poverty pimp" had
 EC>> to refer to a specific racial group,

->> Where has it ever been used to refer to anyone other than a black
->> liberal or a democrat who is working for racial justice?

 EC> An irrelevant question, but the part after the "or"
 EC> undercuts the notion that it is racially exclusive.

 Uh... what is your point? That makes your original statment a
 non-sequitor.

 For that matter, I never once even suggested the term "poverty
 pimp" had to apply only to blacks. However, when it is applied
 to Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton it's not an unreasonable
 interpretation for that particular person's usage.

 And remember, that was not a statement on my part, but an
 interpretation of another's statement, which appeared to
 interpret it the way he meant it, as no one has ever corrected
 it.

 EC>> and your racial stereotypes for the occupations of cook and

->> Black people have long been stereotyped as cooks, in movies and TV.

 EC> And by you.  You asked.  All three answers stand.

 Nope. I never said those things. So they were racist statements,
 but on the part of someone else, never me. Show where I made a
 racist statment. Not where you did, or someone else did, and I
 interpreted it correctly.

 Oh, and you completely deleted the part where I pointed out that
 no one used the term "launder" or anything close to it.

 Of course, deleting material when you are caught red handed is
 your usual modus operandi. You seem to think you can pretend it
 didn't happen.

 Instead you are caught. You lie again.

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 EC> miswording your admission.  You felt you had to pretend
 EC> that you didn't say it in the first place.  Good gosh that
 EC> was SO predictable!

 Since I *DID NOT* say it in the first place, there is no such
 problem. Show where I ever called anyone a poverty pimp or Oreo.
 As to the cook and launderer, the first is well known to have
 been Helm's, and the second was not even used in any of this
 until you invented some racial link.

 EC>> Three lies in one sentence.  I didn't defend him, I quoted

 Yes, you lied.

 EC>> your own words, and I on several occasions pointed out your
 EC>> words as well as your denial that they were your words.  I

->> If you did, you lied.

 EC> That's about as meaningless as all your other whines, but

 It's time you stopped whineing and showed where I said any of
 the things you accused me of above.

 EC> this time it is standing there as a naked assertion without
 EC> your usual foolishness for disguise.

 Naked as in you delete all the context? Take any of your
 supposedly racist statements. Show where I said them.

->> ->>  Oh, and you completely deleted the part where I pointed out that
->> ->>  no one used the term "launder" or anything
close to it.

 EC> Again, someone did.

 You did, but in your accusation about something that didn't
 happen.

 EC> But it gets more interesting in this
 EC> new response, when you insist that Richard never did.  If
 EC> what you are saying is true (always a long shot,
 EC> admittedly), then you are confessing that you altered one
 EC> of his posts!

 If he did, repost it.

 EC> In September of last year you posted what
 EC> you presented as a verbatim quote, with fidonet quote
 EC> markers and all, of a post to you that referred to your
 EC> cook and your laundry.

 Do you have such a quote? You try pulling something out of an
 alleged msg of last year, and you used the term launderer. Helm
 used the word "housekeeper", and you try to pretend your claim
 means something?

 EC> Were you lying then?  Or are you lying now?

 You are lying constantly. The word Helm used was "housekeeper".

 So, screw you.

 EC> Either way, as I pointed out to you some time back, YOU
 EC> claimed it was a racist stereotype.  In fact YOU claimed
 EC> that it was a reference to a SPECIFIC person of a SPECIFIC
 EC> race.  The racism was in YOUR head, not in the inkblots.

 So, now you claim to have read Helm's mind, when he said that?
 It was a racist stereotype. You also left out the part where he
 used the terms Mammy, cook and housekeeper to describe my
 family.

 You try to pretend it was something innocent, with no rational
 interpretation to back it up.

 It was a racist attack, the association of the three terms can
 be nothing else. And you are a racist to bring it up.

 Now that we have conclusive evidence that your claimed
 stereotype is actually a real stereotype, here is one of your
 right wing lovefest buddies, leaping to exactly the stereotype
 you accused me of having a delusion about. Note, one specific
 race, just as you complained.

 Here it is, you are nailed.

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 MG> Keeping in mind that I'm a Californian and that while none
 MG> of the others compare to San Francisco's All of the major
 MG> cities (and some of the smaller ones) have China towns, I
 MG> suppose that if my mind were to jump to a race affiliated
 MG> with laundries I think I would think of the Chinese, not
 MG> Blacks by any means. Are commercial laundries in the East
 MG> and South parts of the country affiliated in any way with
 MG> Blacks?
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 EC> You, of course, will babble on and try to toss out
 EC> diversions again.  No one will be fooled but you.  Let's

 Play your games with someone else. Those were your diversions.
 You have shown yourself a liar and a racist.

 Stay focused on that.



BOB KLAHN bob.klahn{at}sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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