RC> I have received a clarification email from Bob Klahn.

 RC> Those of you that imbibe in DEBATE echo..

 RC> Just because Bob Klahn is the moderator of DEBATE, and that he or his
 RC> viewpoints can be considered as a joke of sorts,

Gee, how non-judgemental. HORK! ;P

If someone doesn't Nazi goose step they are a joke?

 RC> provides you with no
 RC> license to openly or otherwise defy him as the rightful moderator of the
 RC> DEBATE echo.

 RC> The CROSSFIRE echo was created in part because of the way that echo and
 RC> POL_INC were moderated, as in with a hair trigger.

Obviously, to an outsider, I see it otherwise.
The Pol_Inc mod is the only one I've seen as hair triggered, if only
because he's not very bright and is "power mad". He had another
echo before Pol_Inc and I witnessed the same over-moderation.
The God thing is in his name!

In either DEBATE or Pol_Inc it was and IS the sewer sharks that are more
the problem, IMO, though. They are on FIDO to fuck with people...NOT to
engage in honest debate!

Note the Jeff/Mimi combo, for instance.

 RC> However the moderators of those echoes still have authority over them,
 RC> it matters not that you personally dislike the moderator or find them to
 RC> be a joke, buffoon or otherwise.

 RC> I have received to date one request to forcibly remove one of you from
 RC> the DEBATE echo, Klahn has conceded that he was behind in his message
 RC> and said he will look again before confirming this request, but said
 RC> request will be honored once he presents it again and informs the
 RC> affected party.

 RC> People, dont go out of the way to create more work for me, everytime I
 RC> get such a request, I have to assign the echo a special access flag,
 RC> then add that flag onto everyones entry whom is not affected by a access
 RC> cut, therefore anyone without that flag cannot access, its just a pain
 RC> in the ass.

 RC> If a moderator suspends you, just honor it.

It's obvious that you're addressing the sewer sharks, which is good.
But I'd like to offer some opinion of the whole thing.
(because I like to write)

Personally, I don't believe that moderators are needed. Because people have
the ability to twit or ignore those persons that "offend their
sensibilitys".

And every moderator action I've EVER seen has been over personal insult or
threat...always being much ado about nothing. And I've seen people that
never get sanctioned do MUCH worse to echoes. They just act like assholes
continually (under the veil of repectablity), thus making the echo
unpleasant to the point of distraction. Now, of course, people can look
away...BUT the heavy hand of authoritarianism is still there when mods are
present, and a sense of unfairness abides.
And even YOU (above) complain of over moderation.

I always go back to Holysmoke.

Holysmoke was best when Steve Q. was gone! People fought and flamed and
insulted...and it was GREAT! We still all had a great time WITH topical
arguments happening all the time! Then Steve would pop in and go nuts
moderating and everything would grind to a fucking halt.

Of course the echo you speak of IS it's own country with it's own
ruler...but if you have to be it's enforcement agency why should anyone
that disagrees with the system wanna give the "pig" an easier
time?

Them's my two cent. 

I appreciate your work in helping people to grab FIDO though. 'Cause I
think FIDOnet offers something no other venue can. It's just sad that there
are disgusting people, like the sewer sharks, that use this great venue to
taunt and tease and heckle and disrupt good and honest debate.

There's another cent.  ;)

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