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Israeli abuse of
Palestinans? Israeli men aren't strapping themselves full of
explosives and shooting their way into Palestinan settlements. We
should stand by Israel because they have been dealing with terrorist
attacks for years, and maybe, just maybe if the Arab world (besides Egypt
and Jordan) would accept the right of Israel to exist, steps could be made
to end the violence. I personally believe however that there can
never be peace in the Middle East until "Palestinans" are
gone. And why are they called Palestinans by everyone?
They are just Arabs that happen to be living in that region of the Middle
East. Someone please show me how their language, culture, etc.
differ enough from Syrians or Egyptians or Saudi Arabians to warrant
that? I am under the impression that they are all just
Arabs.
>From: "Cherokee"
>To: mathewtate{at}hotmail.com
>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
>Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:27:25 -0500
>
>The Bill of Rights hasn't been touched. It
takes a Constitutional
>Amendment to do that. If there is anything
wrong with the Patriot Act,
>the courts will set it straight eventually.
>
>I don't think the Islamic fundamentalist
radicals will back off, but
>those are not the ones we are proposing to
fight a war against. Sure
>it's all related, but the issue at hand is
Saddam Hussein and his WMD.
>
>I do believe that US policy in the Middle
East is flawed and is
>responsible for the increase in anti-US
sentiment worldwide.
>
>Until we stop blindly supporting Israel (and
ignoring Israeli abuse of
>the Palestinians), Arabs and Muslims
everywhere will continue to hate
>us.
>
>
>
>--- col sanders wrote:
> >
> > My concerns are that while I don't
necessarily fear anything from the
> >
> > current administration, weakening
the Bill of Rights for future
> > administrations is quite
dangerous, if for example we got another
> > Clinton type in office, imagine
the danger to those of us that are
> > not
> > secularly mainstream. The USA
Patriot act is bad, ignoring due
> > process
> > is bad, the DMCA is bad. I am
still hoping they will have the balls
> > to
> > reverse the bad law the first Bush
signed regarding "assault
> > weapons".
> > They also need to reopen the
streets in DC, the great Coward
> > (Clinton)
> > should be the last coward, let DC
return to pre-Clinton normalcy.
> >
> > Regarding the need to fight a war,
let me ask you this, do you really
> >
> > believe that the US can do
ANYTHING that will met by the radical
> > muslim/arab terrorist groups
backing off? Is that even possible at
> > this
> > point? I don't believe so... Maybe
you do...
> >
> > Cherokee wrote:
> >
> > >Agreed, people don't HAVE
to be searched, it is voluntary (only
> > >compulsory if you wish to
fly on an airliner).
> > >
> > >I don't think it's a
foregone conclusion that we need to fight a
> > war,
> > >though it probably will
come to that.
> > >
> > >I don't see why you are
frightened by the President's "recent record
> > on
> > >liberty". What are
you afraid of (specifically)?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- col sanders
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>We can get into a
discussion of how it all started when the great
> > >>Communist FDR
blackmailed the supreme court to misinterpret the
> > >>Commerce
> > >>Clause, and how
that led to the regulation of EVERYTHING including
> > >>airlines and the
great loss of freedoms we enjoy today... But why
> > >>over-complicate
things. The airlines are private industry. They
> > are
> > >>
> > >>regulated, as is
EVERYTHING these days. Americans are STUPID and
> > >>need
> > >>to be protected
from themselves (not my opinion, the opinion of
> > thsoe
> > >>in
> > >>power). People
don't *have to be searched* they can ride amtrak if
> > >>they
> > >>object so much
(for foreigners, thats the train). Anyway, let not
> > >>confuse things, do
we need to fight a war in the middle east,
> > >>probably.
> > >> Is the Bush
Admin's recent record on liberty frightening, yes.
> > Are
> > >>the
> > >>two related, no.
> > >>
> > >>Cherokee wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>That is
oversimplified. It is not the airlines mandating the
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>searches.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>In fact,
the airlines are no longer able to employ their own
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>security
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>personnel.
The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is
> > the
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>new
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>government
agency handling airport security, and we DO in fact
> > have
> > >>>less
freedom when flying than we used to.
> > >>>
> > >>>Even so, I
say big deal. They are working to protect planes and
> > >>>passengers
from terrorism. They aren't digging through your
> > luggage
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>to
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>try to
find out if you cheated on your taxes.
> > >>>
> > >>>--- col
sanders wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
>>>>Being able to lock your bags on an airplan
has nothing to do with
> >
> >
>>>>freedom. Airlines are a private company,
and as such they have
> > the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> >
>>>>right to inspect their customers on their
private property.
> > >>>>
> >
>>>><> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> >
>>>>>So your saying that ONE SOUL ACT by
non-Americans is enough to
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>take
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>away
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> >
>>>>>some of the freedom of Americans..
> >
>>>>>Does this mean that "IF"
these attacks continue that more
> > freedom
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>will be
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> >
>>>>>lost ..
> >
>>>>>Valid Point of View ..
> > >>>>>
> >
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >
>>>>>From: "sloppy"
> >
>>>>>To:
> >
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003
11:42 PM
> >
>>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT
Military
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
We lost that freedom because a group of "men" took it upon
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> > >>>>themselves
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>to abuse the system to achieve
their goal of killing American
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>civilians.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
>
> >
>>>>>>
>That's not the point either ..
> >
>>>>>>
>Talk about freedom .. what happened to the
> > freedom
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> > >>>>of
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>locking your bags ..
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
>When you fly now bags stay unlocked ..
> >
>>>>>>
>Killing someone doesnt "Give"
freedom either ..
> > so
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> > >>>>you just
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>completely came
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
>out and said something that's just way out there
> >
>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>
> > >>..
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>>>>>>
>
> >
>>>>>>
>----- Original Message -----
> >
>>>>>>
>From: "Sting"
> >
>>>>>>
>To:
> >
>>>>>>
>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:11 PM
> >
>>>>>>
>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
> >
>>>>>>
>
> >
>>>>>>
>
> >
>>>>>>
> >
> >
>>>>>>
> > SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR YOUR FREEDOM!!
> >
>>>>>>
> > BECAUSE IT"S NOT FREE !!!
> >
>>>>>>
> > Sting
> >
>>>>>>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
>>>>>>
> > From: "< * Origin: http://www.twgs.org -- THE Trade Wars web forum! (1:229/522.0)SEEN-BY: 633/267 270 @PATH: 229/522 2000 379/1 633/267 |
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