Ross Sauer -> Ross Cassell wrote:
 RS> "Ross Cassell -> Ross Sauer"  wrote in
 RS> news:9911$HOLYSMOKE{at}JamNNTPd:

 RS>>>>> Face it, dummy, Dan and I are going to disparage religions,
 RC>>>>   based on RS> our past experiences with religions.

 RC>>>> But starting today you are going to have to disparage religion
 RC>>   on RC>> and with more civil levels and language.

 RS>>> So I can't call Ed a dummy anymore?

 RC>> Attack his ideas as he will yours..

 RS> I can, but Ed? Fat chance.

Really? When you are civil, I am civil. When you act up, you get what you dish out.

 RC>> Saying "that is stupid" is better than saying
"so and so is stupid".

 RC>> Lets raise the level of debate above more than tit for tat.

 RC>> There is always MATZDOBRE.

 RS> True.

 RS>>> I can't describe stupidity found in some religion as stupidity?

 RC>> Sure you can, just dont blame it all on your opponent and try to
 RC>> excoriate him for it.

 RS> When Ed mindlessly defends stupidity, I will say he is mindlessly
 RS> defending stupidity.

Remember, what you think is stupid is only your opinion. I don't
"mindlessly" do anything. I hold my faith sacred and for you to
attack me for what other people say is ridiculous.

 RS> Most recently, the Mormon practice of "baptizing the dead."

I don't care what your opinion is of it if you continually disparage me and
my faith for the practices of my Church.

Also, it is baptizing *FOR* the dead.

 RC>> You and Dan spent way too much energy trying to fry Ed for being a
 RC>> Mormon and trying to fry him for all that you see wrong with his
 RC>> religion. On a political note, may I remind you that those Democrats
 RC>> you hold dear, that you voted for or support, also cling to religious
 RC>> beliefs?

 RS> So? Most of the democrats don't try to cram their religion into
 RS> everyone's lives.

When have I or Jeff tried to cram our faith into everyone's lives?

 RS> I say most.

 RS> In Illinois, a democrat city council member threw a fit chewing out an
 RS> atheist, saying the US is a "Christian nation."

And I have repeatedly told you that it is not a Christian nation. Many of
the founders were Godly men, be they deist or Christian. They made it clear
that religious freedom was to be a cornerstone of this nation. There is no
guaranty of freedom from religion. You and Ceppa have no tolerance
whatsoever for any display of religion. It must real suck to be constantly
angry at people you don't even know.

 RS> AFAIK, nothing more besides the councilwoman's tirade has occured.

That doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

 RC>> The manager whom hired me, 10 years ago on the 25th of April, who now
 RC>> manages a location across town, is also a Mormon, he is a Bishop in
 RC>> the local Mormon congregation. In case you are wondering, in the
 RC>> Mormon Church, a Bishop is on par with a Pastor in most other
 RC>> churches. This man is one of the nicest clean cut people you could
 RC>> meet or want to meet, soft spoken, respectful and meeting him, you
 RC>> could not tell he was of faith. He also spent time in the USAF, as a
 RC>> weapons mechanic on the F16, he once told me of the extensive training
 RC>> period he had to undergo after basic.. Anyway very nice man, I would
 RC>> imagine that if I ever met Ed, without knowing that it was him, I
 RC>> would come to the same conclusions. I also imagine that if I met Ed in
 RC>> person and knew it was him, I would still draw the same conclusions,
 RC>> for the written message forum is the poorest form of communication,
 RC>> nothing beats looking someone in the eye and a firm handshake.

 RS> He's one of the people I prefer, they don't wear their faith on their
 RS> sleeve, or condemn to hell everyone *THEY* don't like.

I noticed you edited out Ross' reference to me. You carry your atheism on
your sleeve. You condemn all who express faith.

 RC>> I am telling you this for the simple reason that you and Dan took out
 RC>> with all fury, your mis/preconceptions of the LDS onto Ed. Now how was
 RC>> he to react?

 RS> Ed fell into it on his own.

That's a lie. Your first foray into FIDO was hate filled screeds about Rush
Limbaugh. You have hatefully attacked everyone you oppose here in FIDO
since then.

 RS> He wants now to "play the martyr," just like Jeff does
with his "the
 RS> liberals are out to get me."

You are in error. You attack me, I defend myself.

Ed

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