Jordan is like 100% neutral in everything .. Dont count them :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "sloppy" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 6:36 PM
Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military


>
> 
> Israeli abuse of
Palestinans?  Israeli men aren't
strapping themselves full of explosives and shooting their way into
Palestinan settlements.  We should stand by Israel because they have
been dealing with terrorist attacks for years, and maybe, just maybe if the
Arab world (besides Egypt and Jordan) would accept the right of Israel to
exist, steps could be made to end the violence.  I personally believe
however that there can never be peace in the Middle East until
"Palestinans"
are gone.  And why are they called Palestinans by everyone?  They
are just Arabs that happen to be living in that region of the Middle
East.  Someone please show me how their language, culture, etc. differ
enough from Syrians or Egyptians or Saudi Arabians to warrant that?  I
am under the impression that they are all just Arabs.
>  
> 
> >From: "Cherokee"

> >To: mathewtate{at}hotmail.com
> >Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
> >Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:27:25 -0500
> >
> >The Bill of Rights hasn't been touched.
It takes a
Constitutional
> >Amendment to do that. If there is
anything wrong with the
Patriot Act,
> >the courts will set it straight eventually.
> >
> >I don't think the Islamic
fundamentalist radicals will back
off, but
> >those are not the ones we are proposing
to fight a war
against. Sure
> >it's all related, but the issue at hand
is Saddam Hussein
and his WMD.
> >
> >I do believe that US policy in the
Middle East is flawed
and is
> >responsible for the increase in anti-US sentiment
worldwide.
> >
> >Until we stop blindly supporting Israel
(and ignoring
Israeli abuse of
> >the Palestinians), Arabs and Muslims
everywhere will
continue to hate
> >us.
> >
> >
> >
> >--- col sanders wrote:
> > >
> > > My concerns are that while I
don't necessarily fear
anything from the
> > >
> > > current administration,
weakening the Bill of Rights
for future
> > > administrations is quite
dangerous, if for example we
got another
> > > Clinton type in office,
imagine the danger to those
of us that are
> > > not
> > > secularly mainstream. The USA
Patriot act is bad,
ignoring due
> > > process
> > > is bad, the DMCA is bad. I am
still hoping they will
have the balls
> > > to
> > > reverse the bad law the first
Bush signed regarding
"assault
> > > weapons".
> > > They also need to reopen the
streets in DC, the great
Coward
> > > (Clinton)
> > > should be the last coward,
let DC return to
pre-Clinton normalcy.
> > >
> > > Regarding the need to fight a
war, let me ask you
this, do you really
> > >
> > > believe that the US can do
ANYTHING that will met by
the radical
> > > muslim/arab terrorist groups
backing off? Is that
even possible at
> > > this
> > > point? I don't believe so...
Maybe you do...
> > >
> > > Cherokee wrote:
> > >
> > > >Agreed, people don't
HAVE to be searched, it is
voluntary (only
> > > >compulsory if you
wish to fly on an airliner).
> > > >
> > > >I don't think it's a
foregone conclusion that we
need to fight a
> > > war,
> > > >though it probably
will come to that.
> > > >
> > > >I don't see why you
are frightened by the
President's "recent record
> > > on
> > > >liberty". What
are you afraid of (specifically)?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- col sanders
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>We can get
into a discussion of how it all
started when the great
> > > >>Communist FDR
blackmailed the supreme court
to misinterpret the
> > > >>Commerce
> > > >>Clause, and
how that led to the regulation of
EVERYTHING including
> > > >>airlines and
the great loss of freedoms we
enjoy today... But why
> > >
>>over-complicate things. The airlines are
private industry. They
> > > are
> > > >>
> > > >>regulated, as
is EVERYTHING these days.
Americans are STUPID and
> > > >>need
> > > >>to be
protected from themselves (not my
opinion, the opinion of
> > > thsoe
> > > >>in
> > > >>power).
People don't *have to be searched*
they can ride amtrak if
> > > >>they
> > > >>object so
much (for foreigners, thats the
train). Anyway, let not
> > > >>confuse
things, do we need to fight a war in
the middle east,
> > > >>probably.
> > > >> Is the Bush
Admin's recent record on liberty
frightening, yes.
> > > Are
> > > >>the
> > > >>two related, no.
> > > >>
> > > >>Cherokee wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>That
is oversimplified. It is not the
airlines mandating the
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>searches.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>In
fact, the airlines are no longer able
to employ their own
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>security
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
>>>personnel. The Transportation Security
Administration (TSA) is
> > > the
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>new
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
>>>government agency handling airport
security, and we DO in fact
> > > have
> > > >>>less
freedom when flying than we used to.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Even
so, I say big deal. They are working
to protect planes and
> > >
>>>passengers from terrorism. They aren't
digging through your
> > > luggage
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>to
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>try
to find out if you cheated on your
taxes.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>--- col sanders
wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > >
>>>>Being able to lock your bags on an
airplan has nothing to do with
> > >
> > >
>>>>freedom. Airlines are a private
company, and as such they have
> > > the
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>right to inspect their customers on
their private property.
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>><> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>So your saying that ONE SOUL ACT
by non-Americans is enough to
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > > >>take
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > > >>>>away
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>some of the freedom of
Americans..
> > >
>>>>>Does this mean that "IF"
these
attacks continue that more
> > > freedom
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > > >>>>will be
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>lost ..
> > >
>>>>>Valid Point of View ..
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
> > >
>>>>>From: "sloppy"

> > >
>>>>>To: 
> > >
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003
11:42 PM
> > >
>>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT
Military
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> 
> > >
>>>>>>
>  
> > >
>>>>>>
> We lost that freedom because a group of "men" took it upon
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>themselves
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>to abuse the system to achieve
their goal of killing American
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>civilians.
> 
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > 
> > >
>>>>>>
> >That's not the point either ..
> > >
>>>>>>
> >Talk about freedom .. what happened to the
> > > freedom
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >>>>of
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>locking your bags ..
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> >When you fly now bags stay unlocked ..
> > >
>>>>>>
> >Killing someone doesnt "Give"
freedom either ..
> > > so
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>you just
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>completely came
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> >out and said something that's just way out there
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >>..
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
>>>>>>
> >
> > >
>>>>>>
> >----- Original Message -----
> > >
>>>>>>
> >From: "Sting"

> > >
>>>>>>
> >To: 
> > >
>>>>>>
> >Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:11 PM
> > >
>>>>>>
> >Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
> > >
>>>>>>
> >
> > >
>>>>>>
> >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR YOUR FREEDOM!!
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > BECAUSE IT"S NOT FREE !!!
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > Sting
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > From:
"<>"
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > To: 
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 07:27
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > I dont think that's his point
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > When it comes down
to it you have to
> > > be
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >>>>able to
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>handle killing someone
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > else
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > just because it's
the political thing
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >>to
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >>>>do ..
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>If you cant handle that
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > Idea
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > then you shouldnt be
in the military
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>(Regardless
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>of position)
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > my .02
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > From:
"pagan" 
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > To:

> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > Sent: Saturday,
January 11, 2003
> > > 12:14
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >>PM
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > Subject:
[twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > > You would
be surprized to know
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >>that
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >>>>the
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>overwhelming majority of
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> >service
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > men and women never
fire a shot
> > > outside
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>of basic
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>training or a firing
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > range.
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > In fact, there are
more opportunities
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >>to
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >>>>save
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>lives or make living
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > conditions more
habitable than to
> > > take
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >>>>them.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>Yes, even in an all out war
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > situation.
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > > Pagan
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > >
>From a message by prestone
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >>about
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >>>>Re: OT
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>Military:
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > > > as
long as you don't have a
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >>>>problem
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>killing your fellow human
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> >beings,
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > go
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > for it.
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > > >
>From a message by
> > > sloppy
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>about OT
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>Military:
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > > >
> With an anticipated
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>graduation
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>from college in December, I've
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> >been
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > pondering what to do
from this point
> > > on
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>in life.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>I recently hit upon
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> >the
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > idea of the
military, was wondering
> > > if
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >>>>people
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>could offer input, horror
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > stories, advice,
warnings, etc.
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >>Anything
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >>>>would
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>be appreciated.
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
> > >
>>>>>>
> 
> 
> 
> Help STOP SPAM: Try the new
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >>MSN
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > > >>>>8 and
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
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> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>get">http://g.msn.com/8HMEEN/2016">get 2 months FREE*
> > >
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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