Heh
I hate to admit it
but I probably agree with sanders on this one ..
The ENRON Scandal has probably done about 2bn * the damage that illegal
immigrants picking produce will ever cause .. and those guys are doing what?
paying half a mil in damages and taking their 5/6? bn stock options (done
cash'd) and giggling .. Anyways .. are YOU going to go pick oranges for
minimum wage? .. Doubt it .. and when the immigrants buy stuff they dont go
back to their native country to do so ... that means that they do return
some of their cash back into the economy ..

----- Original Message -----
From: "feral" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:50 AM
Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military


>
> No, the illegal immigrants are definitely harming the American people in
several way. They take away jobs from Americans. They are willing to work
for less, and off the books. Thus they are used in large numbers by
"crooked" agricultural enterprises. They are housed in substandard housing,
often packed in like sardines. Their offspring obtain citizenship, ending up
getting public assistance, etc...Putting more burden an the American people.
While shooting them would be fairly harsh, it damn sure would be a deterent.
We definitely need better border security, especially on the southern
borders. So Sanders, YOu are mistaken that illegals picking "produce"
benefit the American people. A truly ridiculous statement actually.
>
>
>
>
>
> >From a message by col sanders about Re: OT Military:
> > Not every illegal immigrant is here to deny us freedom and overthrow our
> government... some are here picking oranges in Florida so you can afford
> cheap produce...
>
> Cherokee wrote:
>
> >If they had been carrying an assault rifle while they invaded our
> >nation, then would execution be warranted ?
> >
> >
> >--- col sanders  wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I can accept our disagreement until the last paragraph where you
> >>sound
> >>crazier than I do... heh, execute all illegal immigrants? heheheh
> >>you're
> >>nuts .
> >>
> >>Col Sanders
> >>
> >>Cherokee wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Neither Waco nor Ruby Ridge were handled appropriately, but both of
> >>>those events occurred before that USA Patriot act, so I don't see
> >>>
> >>>
> >>how
> >>
> >>
> >>>they apply to your argument. And in both cases, serious violations
> >>>
> >>>
> >>of
> >>
> >>
> >>>the law transpired before the "illegal invasions".
> >>>
> >>>You call me naive, I call you paranoid.  Do I care if the federal
> >>>government wants to wiretap my house and read my email?  Not a bit,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>let
> >>
> >>
> >>>them knock themselves out. If in exchange, I am better protected
> >>>
> >>>
> >>from
> >>
> >>
> >>>some lunatic who plans to blow up my building, then that is more
> >>>
> >>>
> >>than a
> >>
> >>
> >>>fair trade.
> >>>
> >>>If at some point down the line someone tries to use some of that
> >>>"intelligence" against me, let them try, I have
done nothing wrong.
> >>>
> >>>One of our biggest problems is our lack border security and weak
> >>>immigration controls.  The Soviet Union had absolutely NO trouble
> >>>
> >>>
> >>with
> >>
> >>
> >>>illegal immigrants because everyone knew they would be shot if they
> >>>were caught in the USSR illegally.
> >>>
> >>>Do I care about the rights of some illegal Arab immigrant that has
> >>>
> >>>
> >>been
> >>
> >>
> >>>arrested and held indefinitely?  Not at all, These people are not
> >>>
> >>>
> >>U.S.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Citizens, they are not protected by our Constitution.  They
> >>>
> >>>
> >>"invaded"
> >>
> >>
> >>>our country and should be executed.
> >>>
> >>>--- col sanders  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>It really goes beyond that, to things like Waco and Ruby Ridge,
> >>>>neither
> >>>>of which was a legal invasion, at least at the very
beginning.  But
> >>>>by
> >>>>your comments I do think you are being naive.  I guess
there really
> >>>>is
> >>>>no argument beyond that...
> >>>>
> >>>>Cherokee wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I don't think we are in any danger of seeing Joe
McCarthy the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>sequel.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>If I am wronged by someone in a position of power,
I have adequate
> >>>>>recourse to defend myself.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>My answer to your fear of someone extorting you by
using something
> >>>>>ambarrassing...   don't do anything to be embarrassed about.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>If you already have, let them reveal it rather
than allow yourself
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>to
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>be blackmailed.  If you run for Governor, your
deep dark secrets
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>are
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>sure to be exposed. :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--- col sanders  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Well, I have been pulled over for having
pro-gun bumper stickers,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>then interrogates on the side of the road by 3
cruiser's worth of
> >>>>>>State
> >>>>>>Troopers.   All of this because of my bumper
stickers.  I was not
> >>>>>>even
> >>>>>>given a ticket.  Add to the loss of privacy,
the databases they
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>are
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>compiling, (read about the return of John
Tower to the pentagon
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>and
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>his
> >>>>>>database project) and you have the potential
for abuse that
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>dwarfs
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>what
> >>>>>>Hoover was acused of.  I go to Church, I
attend rallies (like the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>one
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>on
> >>>>>>Wednesday) and have entertained the idea of
running for Governor
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>or
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>some
> >>>>>>other state position.  I am ambitious and hope
to do well
> >>>>>>professionally.  While not alive then, I have
read about Mcarthy
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>the
> >>>>>>Red scare, I read about the lives he ruined. 
I am familiar with
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>allegtions about Hoover and his own extortion
using embarassing
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>info
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>about people to his own ends.  I can find ALOT
to be afraid of,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>and
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>it
> >>>>>>tends to be a result of people ignoring the
bill of rights and
> >>>>>>passing
> >>>>>>laws that give the government powers that
would not have even
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>helped
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>them stop any terrorist attacks in the first
place.  You may
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>naively
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>believe that every person in power will both
be on your side, and
> >>>>>>also
> >>>>>>be so good as to not misuse their power.  Look
at history, look
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>at
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>the
> >>>>>>whole reason for the Bill of Rights in the first place.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Col Sanders
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Cherokee wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Just read that article.  Not a single line
concerns me in the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>least.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>What specifically are YOU afraid of that
inhibits your personal
> >>>>>>>freedoms?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>--- col sanders  wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Here are some specifics on the Patriot
Act  if you really are
> >>>>>>>>interested...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
>
>>>>http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism_militias/20011031_eff_
usa_patriot_analysis.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>col sanders wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>My concerns are that while I don't
necessarily fear anything
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>from
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>current administration, weakening
the Bill of Rights for
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>future
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>administrations is quite
dangerous, if for example we got
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>another
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Clinton type in office, imagine
the danger to those of  us
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>that
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>are
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>not
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>secularly mainstream.  The USA
Patriot act is bad, ignoring
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>due
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>process
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>is bad, the DMCA is bad.   I am
still hoping they will have
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>balls to
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>reverse the bad law the first Bush
signed regarding "assault
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>weapons".
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>They also need to reopen the
streets in DC, the great Coward
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>(Clinton)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>should be the last coward, let DC
return to pre-Clinton
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>normalcy.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Regarding the need to fight a war,
let me ask you this, do you
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>really
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>believe that the US can do
ANYTHING that will met by the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>radical
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>muslim/arab terrorist groups
backing off?  Is that even
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>possible
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>at
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>this
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>point?  I don't believe so... 
Maybe you do...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Cherokee wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Agreed, people don't HAVE to
be searched, it is voluntary
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>(only
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>compulsory if you wish to fly
on an airliner).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>I don't think it's a foregone
conclusion that we need to
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>fight
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>war,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>though it probably will come to that.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>I don't see why you are
frightened by the President's "recent
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>record on
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>liberty".  What are you
afraid of (specifically)?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>--- col sanders
 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>We can get into a
discussion of how it all started when the
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>great
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Communist FDR blackmailed
the supreme court to misinterpret
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Commerce
> >>>>>>>>>>>Clause, and how that led
to the regulation of EVERYTHING
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>including
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>airlines and the great
loss of freedoms we enjoy today...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>But
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>why
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>over-complicate things. 
The airlines are private industry.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>They
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>are
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>regulated, as is
EVERYTHING these days.  Americans are
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>STUPID
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>need
> >>>>>>>>>>>to be protected from
themselves (not my opinion, the opinion
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>thsoe
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>in
> >>>>>>>>>>>power).  People don't
*have to be searched* they can ride
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>amtrak
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>if
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>they
> >>>>>>>>>>>object so much (for
foreigners, thats the train).  Anyway,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>let
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>not
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>confuse things, do we need
to fight a war in the middle
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>east,
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>probably.
> >>>>>>>>>>>Is the Bush Admin's recent
record on liberty frightening,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>yes.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Are
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>>>>>two related, no.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Cherokee wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>That is
oversimplified.  It is not the airlines mandating
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>searches.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>In fact, the airlines
are no longer able to employ their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>own
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>security
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>personnel.  The
Transportation Security Administration
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>(TSA)
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>is
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>new
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>government agency
handling airport security, and we DO in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>fact
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>have
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>less freedom when
flying than we used to.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Even so, I say big
deal. They are working to protect planes
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>passengers from
terrorism. They aren't digging through your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>luggage
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>to
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>try to find out if you
cheated on your taxes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>--- col sanders
 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Being able to lock
your bags on an airplan has nothing to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>do
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>with
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>freedom.  Airlines
are a private company, and as such they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>have
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>right to inspect
their customers on their private
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>property.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>So your saying
that ONE SOUL ACT by non-Americans is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>enough
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>some of the
freedom of Americans..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Does this mean
that "IF" these attacks continue that more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>freedom
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>will be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>lost ..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Valid Point of View ..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original
Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>From:
"sloppy" 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>To:

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent:
Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:42 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject:
[twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We
lost that freedom because a group of "men" took it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>upon
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>themselves
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>to abuse the
system to achieve their goal of killing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>American
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>civilians.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's
not the point either ..
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Talk
about freedom .. what happened to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>freedom
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>locking your bags ..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When
you fly now bags stay unlocked ..
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Killing
someone doesnt "Give" freedom
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>either
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>..
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>you just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>completely came
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>out
and said something that's just way
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>out
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-----
Original Message -----
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From:
"Sting" 
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To:

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent:
Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:11 PM
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject:
[twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR YOUR
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>FREEDOM!!
> >>
> >>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> BECAUSE IT"S NOT FREE !!!
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Sting
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> From: "<>"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> To: 
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>07:27
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>Military
> >>
> >>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > I dont think that's his point
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > When it comes down to it you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>have
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>handle killing someone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> else
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > just because it's the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>political
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>thing
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
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>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
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>
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> > my .02
>
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> >
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > From: "pagan"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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>
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> > To: 
>
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> > Sent: Saturday, January 11,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>2003
> >>
> >>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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