echo:	trade_wars
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from:	col sanders
date:	2003-01-13 12:52:24
subject:	Re: OT Military
Well, I have been pulled over for having pro-gun bumper stickers, and then interrogates on the side of the road by 3 cruiser's worth of State Troopers. All of this because of my bumper stickers. I was not even given a ticket. Add to the loss of privacy, the databases they are compiling, (read about the return of John Tower to the pentagon and his database project) and you have the potential for abuse that dwarfs what Hoover was acused of. I go to Church, I attend rallies (like the one on Wednesday) and have entertained the idea of running for Governor or some other state position. I am ambitious and hope to do well professionally. While not alive then, I have read about Mcarthy and the Red scare, I read about the lives he ruined. I am familiar with the allegtions about Hoover and his own extortion using embarassing info about people to his own ends. I can find ALOT to be afraid of, and it tends to be a result of people ignoring the bill of rights and passing laws that give the government powers that would not have even helped them stop any terrorist attacks in the first place. You may naively believe that every person in power will both be on your side, and also be so good as to not misuse their power. Look at history, look at the whole reason for the Bill of Rights in the first place. Col Sanders Cherokee wrote: >Just read that article. Not a single line concerns me in the least. >What specifically are YOU afraid of that inhibits your personal >freedoms? > > > >--- col sanders wrote: > > >>Here are some specifics on the Patriot Act if you really are >>interested... >> >> >> >> >http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism_militias/20011031_eff_usa_pa triot_analysis.html > > >> >> >>col sanders wrote: >> >> >> >>>My concerns are that while I don't necessarily fear anything from >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>current administration, weakening the Bill of Rights for future >>>administrations is quite dangerous, if for example we got another >>>Clinton type in office, imagine the danger to those of us that are >>> >>> >>not >> >> >>>secularly mainstream. The USA Patriot act is bad, ignoring due >>> >>> >>process >> >> >>>is bad, the DMCA is bad. I am still hoping they will have the >>> >>> >>balls to >> >> >>>reverse the bad law the first Bush signed regarding "assault >>> >>> >>weapons". >> >> >>>They also need to reopen the streets in DC, the great Coward >>> >>> >>(Clinton) >> >> >>>should be the last coward, let DC return to pre-Clinton normalcy. >>> >>>Regarding the need to fight a war, let me ask you this, do you >>> >>> >>really >> >> >>>believe that the US can do ANYTHING that will met by the radical >>>muslim/arab terrorist groups backing off? Is that even possible at >>> >>> >>this >> >> >>>point? I don't believe so... Maybe you do... >>> >>>Cherokee wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Agreed, people don't HAVE to be searched, it is voluntary (only >>>>compulsory if you wish to fly on an airliner). >>>> >>>>I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that we need to fight a >>>> >>>> >>war, >> >> >>>>though it probably will come to that. >>>> >>>>I don't see why you are frightened by the President's "recent >>>> >>>> >>record on >> >> >>>>liberty". What are you afraid of (specifically)? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>--- col sanders wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>We can get into a discussion of how it all started when the great >>>>>Communist FDR blackmailed the supreme court to misinterpret the >>>>>Commerce >>>>>Clause, and how that led to the regulation of EVERYTHING including >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>airlines and the great loss of freedoms we enjoy today... But why >>>>>over-complicate things. The airlines are private industry. They >>>>> >>>>> >>are >> >> >>>>>regulated, as is EVERYTHING these days. Americans are STUPID and >>>>>need >>>>>to be protected from themselves (not my opinion, the opinion of >>>>> >>>>> >>thsoe >> >> >>>>>in >>>>>power). People don't have to be searched they can ride amtrak >>>>> >>>>> >>if >> >> >>>>>they >>>>>object so much (for foreigners, thats the train). Anyway, let not >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>confuse things, do we need to fight a war in the middle east, >>>>>probably. >>>>>Is the Bush Admin's recent record on liberty frightening, yes. >>>>> >>>>> >>Are >> >> >>>>>the >>>>>two related, no. >>>>> >>>>>Cherokee wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>That is oversimplified. It is not the airlines mandating the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>searches. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>In fact, the airlines are no longer able to employ their own >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>security >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>personnel. The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is >>>>>> >>>>>> >>the >> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>new >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>government agency handling airport security, and we DO in fact >>>>>> >>>>>> >>have >> >> >>>>>>less freedom when flying than we used to. >>>>>> >>>>>>Even so, I say big deal. They are working to protect planes and >>>>>>passengers from terrorism. They aren't digging through your >>>>>> >>>>>> >>luggage >> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>try to find out if you cheated on your taxes. >>>>>> >>>>>>--- col sanders wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Being able to lock your bags on an airplan has nothing to do >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>with >> >> >>>>>>>freedom. Airlines are a private company, and as such they have >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>the >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>right to inspect their customers on their private property. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So your saying that ONE SOUL ACT by non-Americans is enough to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>take >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>away >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>some of the freedom of Americans.. >>>>>>>>Does this mean that "IF" these attacks continue that more >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>freedom >> >> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>will be >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>lost .. >>>>>>>>Valid Point of View .. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>From: "sloppy" >>>>>>>>To: >>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:42 PM >>>>>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>We lost that freedom because a group of "men" took it upon >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>themselves >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>to abuse the system to achieve their goal of killing American >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>civilians. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>That's not the point either .. >>>>>>>>>>Talk about freedom .. what happened to the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>freedom >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 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>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>From: "Sting" >>>>>>>>>>To: >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:11 PM >>>>>>>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR YOUR FREEDOM!! >>>>>>>>>> > BECAUSE IT"S NOT FREE !!! >>>>>>>>>> > Sting >>>>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> > From: "<>" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > To: >>>>>>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 07:27 >>>>>>>>>> > Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > I dont think that's his point >>>>>>>>>> > > When it comes down to it you have to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>be >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>able to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>handle killing someone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > else >>>>>>>>>> > > just because it's the political >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>thing >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>do .. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If you cant handle that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Idea >>>>>>>>>> > > then you shouldnt be in the military >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>(Regardless >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 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>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>lives or make living >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > > conditions more habitable than to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>take >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Yes, even in an all out war >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > > situation. >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Pagan >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >From a message by prestone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>about >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Re: OT >>>>>>> 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upon >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>>> > > idea of the military, was wondering >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>if >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>people >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>could offer input, horror >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > > stories, advice, warnings, etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>Anything >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>would >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>be appreciated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 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>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>We lost that freedom because a group of "men" took it upon >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>themselves >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>to abuse the system to achieve their goal of killing American >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>civilians. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>That's not the point either .. >>>>>>>>>>Talk about freedom .. what happened to the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>freedom >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>of >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>locking your bags .. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>When you fly now bags stay unlocked .. >>>>>>>>>>Killing someone doesnt "Give" freedom either .. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>so >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>you just >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>completely came >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>out and said something that's just way out >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>there >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>From: "Sting" >>>>>>>>>>To: >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:11 PM >>>>>>>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR YOUR FREEDOM!! >>>>>>>>>> > BECAUSE IT"S NOT FREE !!! >>>>>>>>>> > Sting >>>>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> > From: "<>" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > To: >>>>>>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 07:27 >>>>>>>>>> > Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > I dont think that's his point >>>>>>>>>> > > When it comes down to it you have to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>be >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>able to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>handle killing someone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > else >>>>>>>>>> > > just because it's the political >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>thing >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>do .. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If you cant handle that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Idea >>>>>>>>>> > > then you shouldnt be in the military >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>(Regardless >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>of position) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > my .02 >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> > > From: "pagan" >>>>>>>>>> > > To: >>>>>>>>>> > > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>12:14 >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>PM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > > Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>Military >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > You would be surprized to know >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>that >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>overwhelming majority of >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>service >>>>>>>>>> > > men and women never fire a shot >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>outside >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>of basic >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>training or a firing >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > range. >>>>>>>>>> > > In fact, there are more >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>opportunities >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>save >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>lives or make living >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > > conditions more habitable than to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>take >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Yes, even in an all out war >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > > situation. >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > Pagan >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >From a message by prestone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>about >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Re: OT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Military: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > as long as you don't have >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>a >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>problem >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>killing your fellow human >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>beings, >>>>>>>>>> > go >>>>>>>>>> > > for it. >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >From a message by >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>sloppy >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>about OT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Military: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > With an 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