Just read that article.  Not a single line concerns me in the least. 
What specifically are YOU afraid of that inhibits your personal
freedoms?



--- col sanders  wrote:
> 
> Here are some specifics on the Patriot Act  if you really are
> interested...
> 
>
http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism_militias/20011031_eff_usa_pat
riot_analysis.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> col sanders wrote:
> 
> >My concerns are that while I don't necessarily fear anything from
> the 
> >current administration, weakening the Bill of Rights for future 
> >administrations is quite dangerous, if for example we got another 
> >Clinton type in office, imagine the danger to those of  us that are
> not 
> >secularly mainstream.  The USA Patriot act is bad, ignoring due
> process 
> >is bad, the DMCA is bad.   I am still hoping they will have the
> balls to 
> >reverse the bad law the first Bush signed regarding "assault
> weapons". 
> > They also need to reopen the streets in DC, the great Coward
> (Clinton) 
> >should be the last coward, let DC return to pre-Clinton normalcy.
> >
> >Regarding the need to fight a war, let me ask you this, do you
> really 
> >believe that the US can do ANYTHING that will met by the radical 
> >muslim/arab terrorist groups backing off?  Is that even possible at
> this 
> >point?  I don't believe so...  Maybe you do...
> >
> >Cherokee wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Agreed, people don't HAVE to be searched, it is voluntary (only
> >>compulsory if you wish to fly on an airliner). 
> >>
> >>I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that we need to fight a
> war,
> >>though it probably will come to that.
> >>
> >>I don't see why you are frightened by the President's "recent
> record on
> >>liberty".  What are you afraid of (specifically)?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--- col sanders  wrote:
> >> 
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>We can get into a discussion of how it all started when the great 
> >>>Communist FDR blackmailed the supreme court to misinterpret the
> >>>Commerce 
> >>>Clause, and how that led to the regulation of EVERYTHING including
> 
> >>>airlines and the great loss of freedoms we enjoy today... But why 
> >>>over-complicate things.  The airlines are private industry.  They
> are
> >>>
> >>>regulated, as is EVERYTHING these days.  Americans are STUPID and
> >>>need 
> >>>to be protected from themselves (not my opinion, the opinion of
> thsoe
> >>>in 
> >>>power).  People don't *have to be searched* they can ride amtrak
> if
> >>>they 
> >>>object so much (for foreigners, thats the train).  Anyway, let not
> 
> >>>confuse things, do we need to fight a war in the middle east,
> >>>probably. 
> >>>Is the Bush Admin's recent record on liberty frightening, yes. 
> Are
> >>>the 
> >>>two related, no.  
> >>>
> >>>Cherokee wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>That is oversimplified.  It is not the airlines mandating the
> >>>>     
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>searches.
> >>>   
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>In fact, the airlines are no longer able to employ their own
> >>>>     
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>security
> >>>   
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>personnel.  The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is
> the
> >>>>     
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>new
> >>>   
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>government agency handling airport security, and we DO in fact
> have
> >>>>less freedom when flying than we used to.
> >>>>
> >>>>Even so, I say big deal. They are working to protect planes and
> >>>>passengers from terrorism. They aren't digging through your
> luggage
> >>>>     
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>to
> >>>   
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>try to find out if you cheated on your taxes.
> >>>>
> >>>>--- col sanders  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>     
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>Being able to lock your bags on an airplan has nothing to do
> with 
> >>>>>freedom.  Airlines are a private company, and as
such they have
> the
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>
> >>>>>right to inspect their customers on their private property.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>So your saying that ONE SOUL ACT by
non-Americans is enough to
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>take
> >>>   
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>>>    
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>away
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>some of the freedom of Americans..
> >>>>>>Does this mean that "IF" these
attacks continue that more
> freedom
> >>>>>>    
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>will be
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>lost ..
> >>>>>>Valid Point of View ..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>From: "sloppy" 
> >>>>>>To: 
> >>>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:42 PM
> >>>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>We lost that freedom because a
group of "men" took it upon
> >>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>themselves
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>to abuse the system to achieve their goal of
killing American
> >>>>>>    
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>civilians.
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>    
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>That's not
the point either ..
> >>>>>>>>Talk about
freedom .. what happened to the
> freedom
> >>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>of
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>locking your bags ..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>When you
fly now bags stay unlocked ..
> >>>>>>>>Killing
someone doesnt "Give" freedom either ..
> so
> >>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>you just
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>completely came
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>out and
said something that's just way out
> there
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>..
> >>>   
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>-----
Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>From:
"Sting" 
> >>>>>>>>To:

> >>>>>>>>Sent:
Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:11 PM
> >>>>>>>>Subject:
[twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> >
SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR YOUR FREEDOM!!
> >>>>>>>> >
BECAUSE IT"S NOT FREE !!!
> >>>>>>>> > Sting
> >>>>>>>> >
----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>> >
From: "<>"
> >>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> >
To: 
> >>>>>>>> >
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 07:27
> >>>>>>>> >
Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> > >
> >>>>>>>> >
> I dont think that's his point
> >>>>>>>> >
> When it comes down to it you have to
> be
> >>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>able to
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>handle killing someone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> > else
> >>>>>>>> >
> just because it's the political
> thing
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>to
> >>>   
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>  
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>           
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>If you cant handle that
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> > Idea
> >>>>>>>> >
> then you shouldnt be in the military
> >>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>(Regardless
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> > >
> >>>>>>>> >
> my .02
> >>>>>>>> > >
> >>>>>>>> >
> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>> >
> From: "pagan" 
> >>>>>>>> >
> To: 
> >>>>>>>> >
> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003
> 12:14
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>PM
> >>>   
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> >
> Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT
> Military
> >>>>>>>> > >
> >>>>>>>> > >
> >>>>>>>> >
> >
> >>>>>>>> >
> > You would be surprized to know
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>   
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> >>>>>>overwhelming majority of
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>service
> >>>>>>>> >
> men and women never fire a shot
> outside
> >>>>>>>      
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>of basic
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>>>> >
> In fact, there are more
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> >>>>>>Yes, even in an all out war
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> >
> situation.
> >>>>>>>> >
> >
> >>>>>>>> >
> > Pagan
> >>>>>>>> >
> >
> >>>>>>>> >
> >
> >>>>>>>> >
> > >From a message by prestone
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>about
> >>>   
> >>>
> >>>      
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> >>>>>Re: OT
> >>>>>  
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>Military:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> >
> > > as long as you don't have
> a
> >>>>>>>      
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>problem
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>killing your fellow human
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>beings,
> >>>>>>>> > go
> >>>>>>>> >
> for it.
> >>>>>>>> >
> > >
> >>>>>>>> >
> > > >From a message by
> sloppy
> >>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>about OT
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>>>      
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> >>>>>>Military:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> >
> > > > With an anticipated
> >>>>>>>      
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>from college in December, I've
> >>>>>  
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> >>>>>          
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> >>>>>>    
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>been
> >>>>>>>> >
> pondering what to do from this point
> on
> >>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>in life.
> >>>>>  
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>>I recently hit upon
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>         
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>> >
> idea of the military, was wondering
> if
> >>>>>>>      
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> >>>>>>could offer input, horror
> >>>>>>
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