Agreed, people don't HAVE to be searched, it is voluntary (only
compulsory if you wish to fly on an airliner). 

I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that we need to fight a war,
though it probably will come to that.

I don't see why you are frightened by the President's "recent record on
liberty".  What are you afraid of (specifically)?



--- col sanders  wrote:
> 
> We can get into a discussion of how it all started when the great 
> Communist FDR blackmailed the supreme court to misinterpret the
> Commerce 
> Clause, and how that led to the regulation of EVERYTHING including 
> airlines and the great loss of freedoms we enjoy today... But why 
> over-complicate things.  The airlines are private industry.  They are
> 
> regulated, as is EVERYTHING these days.  Americans are STUPID and
> need 
> to be protected from themselves (not my opinion, the opinion of thsoe
> in 
> power).  People don't *have to be searched* they can ride amtrak if
> they 
> object so much (for foreigners, thats the train).  Anyway, let not 
> confuse things, do we need to fight a war in the middle east,
> probably. 
>  Is the Bush Admin's recent record on liberty frightening, yes.  Are
> the 
> two related, no.  
> 
> Cherokee wrote:
> 
> >That is oversimplified.  It is not the airlines mandating the
> searches.
> > In fact, the airlines are no longer able to employ their own
> security
> >personnel.  The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is the
> new
> >government agency handling airport security, and we DO in fact have
> >less freedom when flying than we used to.
> >
> >Even so, I say big deal. They are working to protect planes and
> >passengers from terrorism. They aren't digging through your luggage
> to
> >try to find out if you cheated on your taxes.
> >
> >--- col sanders  wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Being able to lock your bags on an airplan has nothing to do with 
> >>freedom.  Airlines are a private company, and as such they have the
> 
> >>right to inspect their customers on their private property.
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>So your saying that ONE SOUL ACT by non-Americans is enough to
> take
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>away
> >>    
> >>
> >>>some of the freedom of Americans..
> >>>Does this mean that "IF" these attacks continue
that more freedom
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>will be
> >>    
> >>
> >>>lost ..
> >>>Valid Point of View ..
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "sloppy" 
> >>>To: 
> >>>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:42 PM
> >>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>

> >>>> 
> >>>>We lost that freedom because a group of
"men" took it upon
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>themselves
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>to abuse the system to achieve their goal of killing American
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>civilians.
> >>    
> >>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>That's not the point either ..
> >>>>>Talk about freedom ..
what happened to the freedom
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>of
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>locking your bags ..
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>>When you fly now bags
stay unlocked ..
> >>>>>Killing someone doesnt
"Give" freedom either .. so
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>you just
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>completely came
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>>out and said something
that's just way out there
> ..
> >>>>>
> >>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>From: "Sting"

> >>>>>To: 
> >>>>>Sent: Saturday, January
11, 2003 10:11 PM
> >>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg]
Re: OT Military
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > SOMEONE HAS
TO PAY FOR YOUR FREEDOM!!
> >>>>> > BECAUSE
IT"S NOT FREE !!!
> >>>>> > Sting
> >>>>> > -----
Original Message -----
> >>>>> > From:
"<>"
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>> > To:

> >>>>> > Sent:
Saturday, January 11, 2003 07:27
> >>>>> > Subject:
[twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > I
dont think that's his point
> >>>>> > > When
it comes down to it you have to be
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>able to
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>handle killing someone
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>> > else
> >>>>> > > just
because it's the political thing
> to
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>do ..
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>If you cant handle that
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>> > Idea
> >>>>> > > then
you shouldnt be in the military
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>(Regardless
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>of position)
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > my .02
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >
----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> > >
From: "pagan" 
> >>>>> > > To:

> >>>>> > >
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 12:14
> PM
> >>>>> > >
Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > >
> You would be surprized to know
> that
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>the
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>overwhelming majority of
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>>service
> >>>>> > > men
and women never fire a shot outside
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>of basic
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>training or a firing
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>> > range.
> >>>>> > > In
fact, there are more opportunities
> to
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>save
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>lives or make living
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>> > >
conditions more habitable than to take
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>them.
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>Yes, even in an all out war
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>> > > situation.
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > > Pagan
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > >
> >From a message by prestone
> about
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>Re: OT
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>Military:
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>> > >
> > as long as you don't have a
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>problem
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>killing your fellow human
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>>beings,
> >>>>> > go
> >>>>> > > for it.
> >>>>> > >
> >
> >>>>> > >
> > >From a message by sloppy
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>about OT
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>Military:
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>> > >
> > > With an anticipated
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>graduation
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>from college in December, I've
> >>    
> >>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>>been
> >>>>> > >
pondering what to do from this point on
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>in life.
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>I recently hit upon
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>>the
> >>>>> > > idea
of the military, was wondering if
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>people
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>could offer input, horror
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>> > >
stories, advice, warnings, etc.
> Anything
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>would
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>be appreciated.
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>> > >
> >
> >>>>> > >
> >
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>
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> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>8 and
> >>    
> >>
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> >>>>
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> >>>>
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> >  
> >

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