echo:	trade_wars
to:	All
from:	col sanders
date:	2003-01-13 11:40:58
subject:	Re: OT Military
We can get into a discussion of how it all started when the great Communist FDR blackmailed the supreme court to misinterpret the Commerce Clause, and how that led to the regulation of EVERYTHING including airlines and the great loss of freedoms we enjoy today... But why over-complicate things. The airlines are private industry. They are regulated, as is EVERYTHING these days. Americans are STUPID and need to be protected from themselves (not my opinion, the opinion of thsoe in power). People don't have to be searched they can ride amtrak if they object so much (for foreigners, thats the train). Anyway, let not confuse things, do we need to fight a war in the middle east, probably. Is the Bush Admin's recent record on liberty frightening, yes. Are the two related, no. Cherokee wrote: >That is oversimplified. It is not the airlines mandating the searches. > In fact, the airlines are no longer able to employ their own security >personnel. The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is the new >government agency handling airport security, and we DO in fact have >less freedom when flying than we used to. > >Even so, I say big deal. They are working to protect planes and >passengers from terrorism. They aren't digging through your luggage to >try to find out if you cheated on your taxes. > >--- col sanders wrote: > > >>Being able to lock your bags on an airplan has nothing to do with >>freedom. Airlines are a private company, and as such they have the >>right to inspect their customers on their private property. >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>So your saying that ONE SOUL ACT by non-Americans is enough to take >>> >>> >>away >> >> >>>some of the freedom of Americans.. >>>Does this mean that "IF" these attacks continue that more freedom >>> >>> >>will be >> >> >>>lost .. >>>Valid Point of View .. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "sloppy" >>>To: >>>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:42 PM >>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>We lost that freedom because a group of "men" took it upon >>>> >>>> >>themselves >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>to abuse the system to achieve their goal of killing American >>> >>> >>civilians. >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>>That's not the point either .. >>>>>Talk about freedom .. what happened to the freedom >>>> >>>> >>of >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>locking your bags .. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>When you fly now bags stay unlocked .. >>>>>Killing someone doesnt "Give" freedom either .. so >>>> >>>> >>you just >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>completely came >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>out and said something that's just way out there .. >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Sting" >>>>>To: >>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:11 PM >>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR YOUR FREEDOM!! >>>>> > BECAUSE IT"S NOT FREE !!! >>>>> > Sting >>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> > From: "<>" >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>>>> > To: >>>>> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 07:27 >>>>> > Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > I dont think that's his point >>>>> > > When it comes down to it you have to be >>>> >>>> >>able to >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>handle killing someone >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > else >>>>> > > just because it's the political thing to >>>> >>>> >>do .. >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>If you cant handle that >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > Idea >>>>> > > then you shouldnt be in the military >>>> >>>> >>(Regardless >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>of position) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > > >>>>> > > my .02 >>>>> > > >>>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> > > From: "pagan" >>>>> > > To: >>>>> > > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 12:14 PM >>>>> > > Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > You would be surprized to know that >>>> >>>> >>the >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>overwhelming majority of >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>service >>>>> > > men and women never fire a shot outside >>>> >>>> >>of basic >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>training or a firing >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > range. >>>>> > > In fact, there are more opportunities to >>>> >>>> >>save >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>lives or make living >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > > conditions more habitable than to take >>>> >>>> >>them. >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Yes, even in an all out war >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > > situation. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Pagan >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >From a message by prestone about >>>> >>>> >>Re: OT >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Military: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > > > > as long as you don't have a >>>> >>>> >>problem >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>killing your fellow human >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>beings, >>>>> > go >>>>> > > for it. >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >From a message by sloppy >>>> >>>> >>about OT >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Military: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > > > > > With an anticipated >>>> >>>> >>graduation >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>from college in December, I've >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>been >>>>> > > pondering what to do from this point on >>>> >>>> >>in life. >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>I recently hit upon >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>the >>>>> > > idea of the military, was wondering if >>>> >>>> >>people >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>could offer input, horror >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > > stories, advice, warnings, etc. Anything >>>> >>>> >>would >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>be appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>> Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN >>>> >>>> >>8 and >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>get" target="new">get">http://g.msn.com/8HMEEN/2016">get 2 months FREE* >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > --- FEddy 1.4.03/modPHX * Origin: http://www.twgs.org -- THE Trade Wars web forum! 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>>>> >>>>We lost that freedom because a group of "men" took it upon >>>> >>>> >>themselves >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>to abuse the system to achieve their goal of killing American >>> >>> >>civilians. >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>>That's not the point either .. >>>>>Talk about freedom .. what happened to the freedom >>>> >>>> >>of >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>locking your bags .. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>When you fly now bags stay unlocked .. >>>>>Killing someone doesnt "Give" freedom either .. so >>>> >>>> >>you just >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>completely came >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>out and said something that's just way out there .. >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Sting" >>>>>To: >>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:11 PM >>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR YOUR FREEDOM!! >>>>> > BECAUSE IT"S NOT FREE !!! >>>>> > Sting >>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> > From: "<>" >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>>>> > To: >>>>> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 07:27 >>>>> > Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > I dont think that's his point >>>>> > > When it comes down to it you have to be >>>> >>>> >>able to >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>handle killing someone >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > else >>>>> > > just because it's the political thing to >>>> >>>> >>do .. >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>If you cant handle that >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > Idea >>>>> > > then you shouldnt be in the military >>>> >>>> >>(Regardless >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>of position) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > > >>>>> > > my .02 >>>>> > > >>>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> > > From: "pagan" >>>>> > > To: >>>>> > > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 12:14 PM >>>>> > > Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > You would be surprized to know that >>>> >>>> >>the >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>overwhelming majority of >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>service >>>>> > > men and women never fire a shot outside >>>> >>>> >>of basic >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>training or a firing >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > range. >>>>> > > In fact, there are more opportunities to >>>> >>>> >>save >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>lives or make living >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > > conditions more habitable than to take >>>> >>>> >>them. >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Yes, even in an all out war >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > > situation. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > Pagan >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >From a message by prestone about >>>> >>>> >>Re: OT >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Military: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > > > > as long as you don't have a >>>> >>>> >>problem >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>killing your fellow human >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>beings, >>>>> > go >>>>> > > for it. >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >From a message by sloppy >>>> >>>> >>about OT >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Military: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > > > > > With an anticipated >>>> >>>> >>graduation >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>from college in December, I've >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>been >>>>> > > pondering what to do from this point on >>>> >>>> >>in life. >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>I recently hit upon >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>the >>>>> > > idea of the military, was wondering if >>>> >>>> >>people >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>could offer input, horror >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > > stories, advice, warnings, etc. Anything >>>> >>>> >>would >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>be appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>
Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN >>>> >>>> >>8 and >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>get" target="new">get">http://g.msn.com/8HMEEN/2016">get 2 months FREE* >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > --- FEddy 1.4.03/modPHX