Heh, you are insane, must be the water over there .  I don't like 
Bush SO much, I like some of his policies and dislike others.  As for 
your doctor thing, not sure what you are talking about... heh...  I 
don't know of any hospitals without white and  when you suggested all illegal 
immigrants were "invading" our country a to the fact I don't drink,
and even were I to impair myself with alcohol, I certainly wouldn't
drive directly afterwards).

--- ">"  wrote:
> 
> I for one know the police system is corrupt ;)
> Ever got out of a speeding ticket or a DWI ..
> Same thing (MUCH SMALLER SCALE) but both happen regulary 
> As for is Death penatly right or wrong ..
> I think alot of tha depends on Where U were born and how U weqe
> raised ;)
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cherokee" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:38 PM
> Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: [twgsdotorg]
> 
> 
> > 
> > Assuming that everything you say is correct, and for the sake of
> > argument I will grant that, then the problem is still not the death
> > penalty.  The problem is a justice system that does not provide
> > adequate defense for poor defendants, and corrupt police willing to
> > torture suspects to obtain false confessions. I would be all for
> any
> > type of reform that increased the accuracy of our justice system.
> > 
> > Death penalty opponents always use the scenario of the "innocent
> death
> > row inmate" to try to argue against the penalty. I'm sur this
> happens
> > occasionally, but I believe it is far less frequent than death
> penalty
> > opponents claim. 
> > 
> > But what about the truly guilty?  Do you think those who are truly
> > guilty of capital crimes should be put to death?  If you answer
> "no",
> > then you should explain why the death penalty in general is wrong,
> > rather than relying on the old "an innocent person could die"
> argument.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- The Mad Hatter  wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Check CNN, MSNBC, Nytimes.com, etc., all of the major news sites
> > > covered it.
> > > 
> > > And yes, these people were innocent. Through DNA testing (which
> was
> > > not available when many of them were convicted), research, etc.
> the
> > > convictions were overturned, and in several cases the real
> > > perpetrator was convicted.
> > > 
> > > 8 of the convictions were obtained by confessions that were
> extracted
> > > under torture. The officer who obtained those convictions has
> been
> > > removed from the police department, however he has not as yet
> been
> > > jailed (I was unable to even find reference to him being
> charged).
> > > 
> > > The Criminal Justice systems of both Canada and the United States
> > > have errored with great regularity. A conviction in a court of
> either
> > > country does not mean that you are guilty, it often means that
> you
> > > could not afford a good lawyer. Harsh but true.
> > > 
> > > What is really scarey about this is that you stand a better
> chance of
> > > getting justice in Canada or the United States (even with all the
> > > faults of both systems) than you do almost anywhere else.
> > > 
> > > The Mad Hatter
> > > 
> > > >From a message by Cherokee about Re: [twgsdotorg]:
> > > > I would like to know the source of your statistics, in
> particular
> > > the
> > > 23 Illinois men who were "innocent".
> > > 
> > > These cases are almost NEVER cases of truly innocent men being
> > > convicted, sentenced to death, and then exonerated. Rather, they
> are
> > > usually cases in which some legal technicality allowed the men to
> go
> > > free. In every such case, the body of evidence was enough to
> convince
> > > a
> > > jury of reasonable people beyond a reasonable doubt, that the
> > > defendant
> > > was guilty.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- The Mad Hatter  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > There are three good reasons that the Death Penalty is a dead
> issue
> > > > in Canada. The Killer M's, David Millgard, Donald Marshall, and
> Guy
> > > > Paul Morin.
> > > > 
> > > > All three of these gentlemen were convicted of murder, all
> > > > exonerated.
> > > > 
> > > > For those who say it couldn't happen in the USA, I suggest you
> look
> > > > at Illinois where in the last 10 years 23 inmates who were on
> death
> > > > row were later found innocent.
> > > > 
> > > > The point of this being (for both Sanders and Cherokee who seem
> > > > unable to find it) is that government is best kept starved and
> > > > inoffensive, so that it cannot interfere with the lives of the
> > > > citizens. All governments should be kept this way - consider
> Saddam
> > > > Hussein if his government was defanged. He'd end up looking
> like
> > > the
> > > > Stay-Pufft Marshmellow Man.
> > > > 
> > > > Government is not he solution to the problem - it is the
> problem.
> > > > 
> > > > The only good politician is a dead one (they don't raise
> taxes).
> > > > 
> > > > The best government is the least government, and the least
> > > government
> > > > is no government at all.
> > > > 
> > > > Taxation is theft.
> > > > 
> > > > Why is the U.S. Government so hard on the Mafia? They don't
> like
> > > > competition.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The Mad Hatter - Radical to the Bone
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >from a message by col sanders about Re: OT Military:
> > > > > No, I just don't find very many offenses worthy of
execution.
> > > > 
> > > > Cherokee wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >So violating the law is ok as long as it results in something
> > > > >productive?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > 
> > >
> >

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