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from: Cherokee
date: 2003-01-13 15:55:38
subject: Re: OT Military

If they had been carrying an assault rifle while they invaded our
nation, then would execution be warranted ?


--- col sanders  wrote:
> 
> I can accept our disagreement until the last paragraph where you
> sound 
> crazier than I do... heh, execute all illegal immigrants? heheheh
> you're 
> nuts .
> 
> Col Sanders
> 
> Cherokee wrote:
> 
> >Neither Waco nor Ruby Ridge were handled appropriately, but both of
> >those events occurred before that USA Patriot act, so I don't see
> how
> >they apply to your argument. And in both cases, serious violations
> of
> >the law transpired before the "illegal invasions".
> >
> >You call me naive, I call you paranoid.  Do I care if the federal
> >government wants to wiretap my house and read my email?  Not a bit,
> let
> >them knock themselves out. If in exchange, I am better protected
> from
> >some lunatic who plans to blow up my building, then that is more
> than a
> >fair trade.
> >
> >If at some point down the line someone tries to use some of that
> >"intelligence" against me, let them try, I have done
nothing wrong.
> >
> >One of our biggest problems is our lack border security and weak
> >immigration controls.  The Soviet Union had absolutely NO trouble
> with
> >illegal immigrants because everyone knew they would be shot if they
> >were caught in the USSR illegally.
> >
> >Do I care about the rights of some illegal Arab immigrant that has
> been
> >arrested and held indefinitely?  Not at all, These people are not
> U.S.
> >Citizens, they are not protected by our Constitution.  They
> "invaded"
> >our country and should be executed. 
> >
> >--- col sanders  wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>It really goes beyond that, to things like Waco and Ruby Ridge,
> >>neither 
> >>of which was a legal invasion, at least at the very beginning.  But
> >>by 
> >>your comments I do think you are being naive.  I guess there really
> >>is 
> >>no argument beyond that...
> >>
> >>Cherokee wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>I don't think we are in any danger of seeing Joe McCarthy the
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>sequel. 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>If I am wronged by someone in a position of power, I have adequate
> >>>recourse to defend myself.
> >>>
> >>>My answer to your fear of someone extorting you by using something
> >>>ambarrassing...   don't do anything to be embarrassed about.
> >>>
> >>>If you already have, let them reveal it rather than allow yourself
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>to
> >>    
> >>
> >>>be blackmailed.  If you run for Governor, your deep dark secrets
> are
> >>>sure to be exposed. :)
> >>>
> >>>--- col sanders  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>Well, I have been pulled over for having pro-gun
bumper stickers,
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>and
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>then interrogates on the side of the road by 3
cruiser's worth of
> >>>>State 
> >>>>Troopers.   All of this because of my bumper stickers.
 I was not
> >>>>even 
> >>>>given a ticket.  Add to the loss of privacy, the databases they
> are
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>compiling, (read about the return of John Tower to the pentagon
> and
> >>>>his 
> >>>>database project) and you have the potential for abuse that
> dwarfs
> >>>>what 
> >>>>Hoover was acused of.  I go to Church, I attend
rallies (like the
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>one
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>on 
> >>>>Wednesday) and have entertained the idea of running for Governor
> or
> >>>>some 
> >>>>other state position.  I am ambitious and hope to do well 
> >>>>professionally.  While not alive then, I have read about Mcarthy
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>and
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>the 
> >>>>Red scare, I read about the lives he ruined.  I am familiar with
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>the 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>allegtions about Hoover and his own extortion using embarassing
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>info 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>about people to his own ends.  I can find ALOT to be afraid of,
> and
> >>>>it 
> >>>>tends to be a result of people ignoring the bill of rights and
> >>>>passing 
> >>>>laws that give the government powers that would not have even
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>helped 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>them stop any terrorist attacks in the first place.  You may
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>naively 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>believe that every person in power will both be on
your side, and
> >>>>also 
> >>>>be so good as to not misuse their power.  Look at history, look
> at
> >>>>the 
> >>>>whole reason for the Bill of Rights in the first place.
> >>>>
> >>>>Col Sanders
> >>>>
> >>>>Cherokee wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>Just read that article.  Not a single line
concerns me in the
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>least.
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>>     
> >>>>>
> >>>>>What specifically are YOU afraid of that inhibits
your personal
> >>>>>freedoms?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--- col sanders  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Here are some specifics on the Patriot Act  if
you really are
> >>>>>>interested...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
>
>>>http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism_militias/20011031_eff_usa_
patriot_analysis.html
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>     
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>col sanders wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>My concerns are that while I don't
necessarily fear anything
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>from
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>the 
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>current administration, weakening the Bill
of Rights for
> future 
> >>>>>>>administrations is quite dangerous, if for
example we got
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>another 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>>>>Clinton type in office, imagine the danger
to those of  us
> that
> >>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>are
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>not 
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>secularly mainstream.  The USA Patriot act
is bad, ignoring
> due
> >>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>process 
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>is bad, the DMCA is bad.   I am still
hoping they will have
> the
> >>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>balls to 
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>reverse the bad law the first Bush signed
regarding "assault
> >>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>weapons". 
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>They also need to reopen the streets in
DC, the great Coward
> >>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>(Clinton) 
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>should be the last coward, let DC return
to pre-Clinton
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>normalcy.
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>>>>Regarding the need to fight a war, let me
ask you this, do you
> >>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>really 
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>believe that the US can do ANYTHING that
will met by the
> radical
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>muslim/arab terrorist groups backing off? 
Is that even
> possible
> >>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>at
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>this 
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>point?  I don't believe so...  Maybe you do...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Cherokee wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Agreed, people don't HAVE to be
searched, it is voluntary
> (only
> >>>>>>>>compulsory if you wish to fly on an airliner). 
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I don't think it's a foregone
conclusion that we need to
> fight
> >>>>>>>>                
> >>>>>>>>
> >>a
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>                
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>war,
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>though it probably will come to that.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I don't see why you are frightened by
the President's "recent
> >>>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>                
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>record on
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>liberty".  What are you afraid of
(specifically)?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>--- col sanders
 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>           
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>                
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>We can get into a discussion of
how it all started when the
> >>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>great 
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Communist FDR blackmailed the
supreme court to misinterpret
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>the
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>Commerce 
> >>>>>>>>>Clause, and how that led to the
regulation of EVERYTHING
> >>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>including
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>airlines and the great loss of
freedoms we enjoy today...
> But
> >>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>why 
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>over-complicate things.  The
airlines are private industry. 
> >>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>They
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>are
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>regulated, as is EVERYTHING these
days.  Americans are
> STUPID
> >>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>and
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>need 
> >>>>>>>>>to be protected from themselves
(not my opinion, the opinion
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>of
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>thsoe
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>in 
> >>>>>>>>>power).  People don't *have to be
searched* they can ride
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>amtrak
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>if
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>they 
> >>>>>>>>>object so much (for foreigners,
thats the train).  Anyway,
> let
> >>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>not
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>confuse things, do we need to
fight a war in the middle
> east,
> >>>>>>>>>probably. 
> >>>>>>>>>Is the Bush Admin's recent record
on liberty frightening,
> yes.
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>Are
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>the 
> >>>>>>>>>two related, no.  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Cherokee wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>That is oversimplified.  It is
not the airlines mandating
> the
> >>>>>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>          
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>               
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>                    
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>searches.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>In fact, the airlines are no
longer able to employ their
> own
> >>>>>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>          
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>               
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>                    
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>security
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>personnel.  The Transportation
Security Administration
> (TSA)
> >>>>>>>>>>                    
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>is
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>          
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>               
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>                    
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>the
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>          
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>               
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>                    
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>new
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>government agency handling
airport security, and we DO in
> >>>>>>>>>>                    
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>fact
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>          
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>               
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>                    
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>have
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>less freedom when flying than
we used to.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Even so, I say big deal. They
are working to protect planes
> >>>>>>>>>>                    
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>and
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>passengers from terrorism.
They aren't digging through your
> >>>>>>>>>>          
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>               
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>                    
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>luggage
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>          
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>               
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>                    
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>to
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>try to find out if you cheated
on your taxes.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>--- col sanders
 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>     
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>          
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>               
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>                    
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Being able to lock your
bags on an airplan has nothing to
> do
> >>>>>>>>>>>            
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>                      
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>with 
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>freedom.  Airlines are a
private company, and as such they
> >>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>                      
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>have
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>            
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>                      
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>the
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>right to inspect their
customers on their private
> property.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>       
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>            
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>                      
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>So your saying that
ONE SOUL ACT by non-Americans is
> enough
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                        
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>to
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                        
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>take
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>   
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>        
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>             
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>                  
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                        
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>away
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>       
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>            
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>                      
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>some of the freedom of
Americans..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Does this mean that
"IF" these attacks continue that more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                        
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>freedom
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>            
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                        
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>will be
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>    
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>       
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>            
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>                      
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>lost ..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Valid Point of View ..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>From:
"sloppy" 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>To:

> >>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday,
January 11, 2003 11:42 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg]
Re: OT Military
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>      
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>              
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                   
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>                        
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>We lost that freedom because a group of "men" took it > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>upon > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>themselves > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>to abuse the system to achieve their goal of killing > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>American > >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>civilians. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's not the point either .. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Talk about freedom .. what happened to > the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>freedom > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>of > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>locking your bags .. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>When you fly now bags stay unlocked .. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Killing someone doesnt "Give" freedom > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>either > >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>.. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>so > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>you just > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>completely came > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>out and said something that's just way > out > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>there > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>.. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Sting" > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:11 PM > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR YOUR > FREEDOM!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > BECAUSE IT"S NOT FREE !!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Sting > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > From: "<>" > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > To: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>07:27 > >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT > Military > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > I dont think that's his point > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > When it comes down to it you > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>have > >> > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>to > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>be > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > 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> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Idea > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > then you shouldnt be in the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>military > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>(Regardless > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>of position) > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > 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>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>training or a firing > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > range. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > In fact, there are more > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>opportunities > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>to > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > 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>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>killing your fellow human > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >
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