I'm going to follow Russ's advice and not say anything more -- I *do*
resemble the radicals. Think about it. L.

At 01:56 PM 6/20/2003 -0700, Lezlie wrote:
>
>>Thanks! :~)) I happen to *be* one of those radical feminist types, 
>
>Somehow I don't think you fit the definition we've been talking about.
>
>>and the stuff people say about those of us who are doens't seem to 
>>resemble much about me or anyone I know.  
>
>Maybe that's because you DON'T fit the category we're discussing.  Don't
>get a knee-jerk reaction until you READ what is being said and understand
>that what we're against is NOT feminism, but that minority among those who
>call themselves feminists, who think that every last one of us must fit
>THEIR definition and adopt their ideology.  We're talking about the
>dogmatic ideologues, not the everyday more realistic and human (and humane)
>champions of not just women's rights but human rights.  We're talking about
>the ones who want everyone to march in lock-step with them, never mind that
>most of us (you, included, I would wager) would simply like to see ALL
>persons treated with respect and dignity.  We're talking about the ones who
>seem to a disinterested observer not so much to be campaigning for human
>rights but more interested in lashing out and trying to "get back" at
>whoever or whatever for the hurts they feel they've suffered -- which
>doesn't make the hurts any less real, but yelling at people and calling
>them names and as much as saying "you're a bad person" isn't
going to heal
>those hurts, it's only going to compound them and just put out more bad
>karma, as it were.
>
>>Hey, some of the BEST all around, hands down no kidding 
>>GREAT PARTIES were those thrown by radical-lesbian-feminist 
>>Witches.  (OH -- HEERRRREEE COME the Leaping LESBIANS!!!) 
>
>Who also quite likely do not fit the definition we're elaborating here.
>
>>No sense of humor?? Geeze guys, what tree have you been 
>>under for the last half century? 
>
>Yes, I have run into "feminists" who had no sense of humor
whatsoever.  I
>have run into "feminists" who took themselves too seriously, so much so
>that their stridency and offensiveness got in the way of whatever message
>they were trying to deliver.  Did I say that ALL feminists are devoid of a
>sense of humor?  No, I did not, and neither did anyone else here.  We are
>talking about a minority, not tarring everyone with the same brush.  I
>haven't been under a tree, and neither was my mother, a widow who raised my
>sister and my brother and me and who had to put up with a lot of crap with
>little or no protection under the law, certainly not anywhere near what
>exists nowadays thanks to women like my mother as well as to more active
>feminists.  I have entered the so-called "man's world" in the
military, and
>survived with my selfhood intact, thank you very much, and made an
>impression which may have very well made it easier for other women to
>follow me, if they so choose.  And to me, it is, at bottom, all about
>enabling and empowering everyone to have as free a choice as possible in
>the running of their lives, in the opportunities for service and for
>expression, in their connectedness with everyone else.
>
>You have chosen to be offended by the comments, rather than seeing what
>we're really saying.
>
>>Man, just because we want you to decide to be human beings 
>>instead of jerks... Ok -- enough politica. Lezlie 
>
>Well, my goodness, dearie, why do you hang around here with a bunch of
>jerks?  If we're not human beings what are you doing with us chimps, anyway?
>
>Veloci--hoo! hoo!--raptor
>

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