I did write some master's work about authentic love & encounter.
Re-edited it into a book, haven't found a publisher for it though :~(( --
one of these days it will find its home.  Most of the Pagans I know, me
included, like to spend time in the the fore

>yup, yup :)
>what she (Barb) said!
>
>Back a few years ago I went to a winter solstice gathering with a local
>"pagan/wiccan" group, and found firsthand that there are those who are
>serious about it and normal in their seriousness, those who were not so
>serious (but still believers - or not), and those who were so serious they
>put the wings on the dingbat so to speak. Ppl are infinitely varied.. makes
>for interest, but gosh some of them can just *ruin* a good thing!
>
>you've got your environmentalists who seem to think human beings have no
>role in the natural world other than as a disease and we all ought to go
>kill ourselves immediately, as well as those wanting just a little more
>consideration about how we dispose of our trash.
>You've got your politicians who figure the best government is one that
>brutally controls everything down to bowel movements (if they could) and
>those who think mobs of raping pillaging hordes is preferable to any
>government at all. And those who figure a little neighborhood council on
>trash control is a pretty good idea when you consider the alternative of
>having it pile up in the streets.
>
>ahhh, give me the happy middle!
>
>ppl are funny beasts...
>
>> See, it's not YOU we're dissing.
>> We're dissing the humorless, death to opposition!, brain death to anyone
>> who thinks other! types -- of which every group has some.
>>
>> They give the real movement a bad name -- as you can see....
>>
>> =HUGS=
>> (and pax)
>>
>> -B
>>
>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:56:53 -0700
 writes:
>> > Thanks! :~)) I happen to *be* one of those radical feminist types,
>> > and the stuff people say about those of us who are doens't seem to
>> > resemble much about me or anyone I know.  Hey, some of the BEST all
>> > around, hands down no kidding GREAT PARTIES were those thrown by
>> > radical-lesbian-feminist Witches.  (OH -- HEERRRREEE COME the
>> > Leaping LESBIANS!!!) No sense of humor?? Geeze guys, what tree have
>> > you been under for the last half century? Man, just because we want
>> > you to decide to be human beings instead of jerks... Ok -- enough
>> > politica. Lezlie
>> >
>> > >Oh WELL DONE! :))
>> > >really!
>> > >
>> > >> Lezlie's Short Treatise n Feminism
>> > >>
>> > >> There was a time when the problem of women was that women
>> > insisted upon
>> > >not
>> > >> Doing What Was Expected, or conversely, What Was
Expected.  Who
>> > expected
>> > >this,
>> > >> you might ask? A non-gendered overarching Eminence called
>> > Tradition -- or,
>> > >> sometimes, Society. Women were alternately praised
and condemned
>> > for their
>> > >> conformity or non-conformity for several centuries.  Tradition
>> > and
>> > >Expectations
>> > >> changed over the centuries; it is to be mentioned,
for both men
>> > and women.
>> > >One
>> > >> day, in the early 1960s, someone (it was a woman) noticed that
>> > the
>> > >Traditions
>> > >> and Expectations of women (and, men) were changing
once again and
>> > there
>> > >were
>> > >> those who hated it and those who praised it.
Unfortunately, there
>> > were
>> > >also
>> > >> those who misrepresented the following decades of upheaval to
>> > include a
>> > >Great
>> > >> Deal of Nonsense and Unrelated Matter. What was this feminism?
>> > Primarily,
>> > >it
>> > >> was a civil rights movement that built upon the decades before
>> > the World
>> > >Wars
>> > >> when it was called "suffrage".  A lot of
material was generated
>> > in
>> > >literature
>> > >> and scholarly works called "feminist
theory" that critiqued a Lot
>> > of
>> > >Stuff.
>> > >> Some of it was very technical (as in
psychoanalysis); some legal,
>> > (as in
>> > >the
>> > >> modernization of the divorce and property ownership
laws); some
>> > had to do
>> > >with
>> > >> more slippery topics like media representations and reviews of
>> > cultural
>> > >> expectations. Some was silly, some valuable, and
some will have
>> > to be
>> > >revisited
>> > >> in a later age.
>> > >>
>> > >> In the relationship area, thing became Quite Confusing.
>> > Particularly for
>> > >actual
>> > >> men and women. Particularly if said men and women
were engaging
>> > in
>> > >> relationships. This has not yet been resolved, except in
>> > individual cases.
>> > >This
>> > >> will take some time to sort our, and will cause some hurt
>> > feelings,
>> > >> misunderstanding and scared people along the way.
One hopes that,
>> > in the
>> > >> process, Good Things will also come from this: an
end to domestic
>> > violence
>> > >> (toward both genders), some thought about allowing personal
>> > choice and
>> > >freedom
>> > >> as to how to order one's relationships (marriage or no, gay or
>> > straight,
>> > >other
>> > >> cultural definitions, etc.),  and maybe the giving up of some
>> > Long Held
>> > >> Traditional Illusions Concerning Love. Could
authentic encounter
>> > and love
>> > >that
>> > >> is free of illusion enter into this picture? maybe.... just
>> > maybe. Given
>> > >time,
>> > >> patience and a willingness to contemplate and act.
Maybe we will
>> > also gain
>> > >some
>> > >> understanding of exacly what equality is, and that is the
>> > $600,000
>> > >question.
>> > >> Hugs -- hang in there. Lezlie
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> =====
>> If it's not one thing it's your mother. --anon
>> =====
>> We must make peace with our karma... and apparently that does not involve
>> hitting it with heavy objects. --Barb Jernigan
>>
>

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