I for one know the police system is corrupt ;)
Ever got out of a speeding ticket or a DWI ..
Same thing (MUCH SMALLER SCALE) but both happen regulary 
As for is Death penatly right or wrong ..
I think alot of tha depends on Where U were born and how U were raised ;)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cherokee" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:38 PM
Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: [twgsdotorg]


> 
> Assuming that everything you say is correct, and for the sake of
> argument I will grant that, then the problem is still not the death
> penalty.  The problem is a justice system that does not provide
> adequate defense for poor defendants, and corrupt police willing to
> torture suspects to obtain false confessions. I would be all for any
> type of reform that increased the accuracy of our justice system.
> 
> Death penalty opponents always use the scenario of the "innocent death
> row inmate" to try to argue against the penalty. I'm sur this happens
> occasionally, but I believe it is far less frequent than death penalty
> opponents claim. 
> 
> But what about the truly guilty?  Do you think those who are truly
> guilty of capital crimes should be put to death?  If you answer "no",
> then you should explain why the death penalty in general is wrong,
> rather than relying on the old "an innocent person could
die" argument.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- The Mad Hatter  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Check CNN, MSNBC, Nytimes.com, etc., all of the major news sites
> > covered it.
> > 
> > And yes, these people were innocent. Through DNA testing (which was
> > not available when many of them were convicted), research, etc. the
> > convictions were overturned, and in several cases the real
> > perpetrator was convicted.
> > 
> > 8 of the convictions were obtained by confessions that were extracted
> > under torture. The officer who obtained those convictions has been
> > removed from the police department, however he has not as yet been
> > jailed (I was unable to even find reference to him being charged).
> > 
> > The Criminal Justice systems of both Canada and the United States
> > have errored with great regularity. A conviction in a court of either
> > country does not mean that you are guilty, it often means that you
> > could not afford a good lawyer. Harsh but true.
> > 
> > What is really scarey about this is that you stand a better chance of
> > getting justice in Canada or the United States (even with all the
> > faults of both systems) than you do almost anywhere else.
> > 
> > The Mad Hatter
> > 
> > >From a message by Cherokee about Re: [twgsdotorg]:
> > > I would like to know the source of your statistics, in particular
> > the
> > 23 Illinois men who were "innocent".
> > 
> > These cases are almost NEVER cases of truly innocent men being
> > convicted, sentenced to death, and then exonerated. Rather, they are
> > usually cases in which some legal technicality allowed the men to go
> > free. In every such case, the body of evidence was enough to convince
> > a
> > jury of reasonable people beyond a reasonable doubt, that the
> > defendant
> > was guilty.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- The Mad Hatter  wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > There are three good reasons that the Death Penalty is a dead issue
> > > in Canada. The Killer M's, David Millgard, Donald Marshall, and Guy
> > > Paul Morin.
> > > 
> > > All three of these gentlemen were convicted of murder, all
> > > exonerated.
> > > 
> > > For those who say it couldn't happen in the USA, I suggest you look
> > > at Illinois where in the last 10 years 23 inmates who were on death
> > > row were later found innocent.
> > > 
> > > The point of this being (for both Sanders and Cherokee who seem
> > > unable to find it) is that government is best kept starved and
> > > inoffensive, so that it cannot interfere with the lives of the
> > > citizens. All governments should be kept this way - consider Saddam
> > > Hussein if his government was defanged. He'd end up looking like
> > the
> > > Stay-Pufft Marshmellow Man.
> > > 
> > > Government is not he solution to the problem - it is the problem.
> > > 
> > > The only good politician is a dead one (they don't raise taxes).
> > > 
> > > The best government is the least government, and the least
> > government
> > > is no government at all.
> > > 
> > > Taxation is theft.
> > > 
> > > Why is the U.S. Government so hard on the Mafia? They don't like
> > > competition.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The Mad Hatter - Radical to the Bone
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >from a message by col sanders about Re: OT Military:
> > > > No, I just don't find very many offenses worthy of execution.
> > > 
> > > Cherokee wrote:
> > > 
> > > >So violating the law is ok as long as it results in something
> > > >productive?
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> >
>

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