Dude, take it further, if orange growers could not employ illegals at 
sub-minimum wage, they would be unable to compete with foreign produce 
prices and the orange growers would go out of business.  More jobs and 
more wealth moving out of the US.  This i if you aren't fighting to win, you 
are going to lose.  I do not advocate a war in which we hold back, or 
let politics dictate tactics (see Vietnam).  War is bad, but if we are 
going to fight one, we ought to attempt to win as overwhelmingly and 
quickly as we can.  It doesn't matter who starts the war, if I was an 
Iraqi you can be damn sure I would advocate nuking the US in retaliation 
for attacking us (thats if I supported Saddam, the odds are good that I 
would not though and would welcome US liberatiommm,
 wrote:

>So let me get this correct
>Japan started a war with the US so the US was okay using a WMD to stop it ..
>So if the US starts a war with Iraq then IRAQ is okay using a WMD on the US
>to stop it..
>GREAT POV sanders .. keep it up!
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "col sanders" 
>To: 
>Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:52 PM
>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
>
>
>  
>
>>Dude, that was over around 50 years ago, and so what.  The nukes we used
>>were no different than the firebombing od Dresden or any of the other
>>German cities we incinerated.  War is ugly, those that can't handle it
>>should not start it.
>>
>>Col Sanders
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>;)
>>>Well .. as it stands the US of A is the only country to EVER use a Weapon
>>>      
>>>
>of
>  
>
>>>MASS destruction ..
>>>so they might as well do it again .. while telling the other country's
>>>      
>>>
>that
>  
>
>>>they are a "threat"
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "sloppy" 
>>>To: 
>>>Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:19 AM
>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Oh we have the ability to destroy them, it is called a thermonuclear
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>warhead and it does wonders to get rid of
"pissants".  Too bad I am
>>>      
>>>
>not
>  
>
>>>at my normal comp or we could fight about this on icq
>>>      
>>>
>;)
>  
>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From:
"<>" 
>>>>>To: mathewtate{at}hotmail.com
>>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
>>>>>Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:13:51 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>>One must remember that some
of the arab nations are
>>>>        
>>>>
>trying
>  
>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>to do the
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>"Culling" right
now .. I dont see the problem ever going
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>away to be honest
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>.. On one hand you have a
giant that's trying to kill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>pissants .. and on the
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>other hand you have pissants
who are destroying things
>>>>        
>>>>
>the
>  
>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>giant owns ..
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>Neither has the ability to
kill the other .. but both
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>continue to fight ..
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>The "American"
Political system is what's driving these
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>problems .. and
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>since 9-11 they are doing
nothing but driving the
>>>>        
>>>>
>problems
>  
>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>harder and harder
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>.. The world is going to
hell and bush is driving heh
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "sloppy"

>>>>>To: 
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 12,
2003 12:06 AM
>>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>Yes, its called martial law.  Thats what
happens when repeated
>>>>>attacks are made against
a society, and if we don't
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>take steps to stop
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>it now, it could escalate to
that point.  I know
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Hollywood (not the TW
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>player ;) ) is cheesy, but
the movie The Siege is a vivid
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>example of what
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>may happen, and I found it
to be quite moving even before
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>September
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>11th.  The military
now has the right to hold
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>indefinately any U.S.
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>citizen found to be engaged
in military action against
>>>>        
>>>>
>U.S.
>  
>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>troops (John
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>Walker?? right name?), and I
honestly don't know what we
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>need to do to stop
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>NON-Americans from
destroying the civil rights of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Americans.  Perhaps a
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>culling is in order....
>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>> 
>>>>> >
>>>>> 
>>>>> >
>>>>>So your saying that ONE SOUL
ACT by non-Americans is
>>>>        
>>>>
>enough
>  
>
>>>>>to take away
>>>>> >
>>>>>some of the freedom of Americans..
>>>>> >
>>>>>Does this mean that
"IF" these attacks continue that more
>>>>>freedom will be
>>>>> >
>>>>>lost ..
>>>>> >
>>>>>Valid Point of View ..
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >
>>>>>From: "sloppy"

>>>>> >
>>>>>To: 
>>>>> >
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 11,
2003 11:42 PM
>>>>> >
>>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>> 
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>We lost that freedom because a group of
"men" took it upon themselves
>>>>> >
>>>>>to abuse the system to
achieve their goal of killing
>>>>>American civilians.
>>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> 
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>That's not the point either ..
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>Talk about freedom .. what
happened to the freedom of
>>>>> >
>>>>>locking your bags ..
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>When you fly now bags stay unlocked ..
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>Killing someone doesnt
"Give" freedom either .. so you
>>>>        
>>>>
>just
>  
>
>>>>> >
>>>>>completely came
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>out and said something
that's just way out there ..
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>From: "Sting"

>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>To: 
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 11,
2003 10:11 PM
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > SOMEONE HAS TO PAY
FOR YOUR FREEDOM!!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > BECAUSE IT"S
NOT FREE !!!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Sting
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > From:
"<>" 
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > To: 
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Sent: Saturday,
January 11, 2003 07:27
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Subject:
[twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > I dont
think that's his point
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > When it
comes down to it you have to be able
>>>>        
>>>>
>to
>  
>
>>>>> >
>>>>>handle killing someone
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > else
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > just
because it's the political thing to do ..
>>>>> >
>>>>>If you cant handle that
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Idea
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > then you
shouldnt be in the military
>>>>        
>>>>
>(Regardless
>  
>
>>>>> >
>>>>>of position)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > my .02
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > -----
Original Message -----
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > From:
"pagan" 
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > To:

>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > Sent:
Saturday, January 11, 2003 12:14 PM
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > Subject:
[twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > >
You would be surprized to know that the
>>>>> >
>>>>>overwhelming majority of
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>service
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > men and
women never fire a shot outside of
>>>>        
>>>>
>basic
>  
>
>>>>> >
>>>>>training or a firing
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > range.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > In fact,
there are more opportunities to save
>>>>> >
>>>>>lives or make living
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > >
conditions more habitable than to take them.
>>>>> >
>>>>>Yes, even in an all out war
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > situation.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > > Pagan
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > >
>From a message by prestone about Re:
>>>>        
>>>>
>OT
>  
>
>>>>> >
>>>>>Military:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > >
> as long as you don't have a problem
>>>>> >
>>>>>killing your fellow human
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>beings,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > go
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > for it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > >
> >From a message by sloppy about
>>>>        
>>>>
>OT
>  
>
>>>>> >
>>>>>Military:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > >
> > With an anticipated graduation
>>>>> >
>>>>>from college in December, I've
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>been
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > pondering
what to do from this point on in
>>>>        
>>>>
>life.
>  
>
>>>>> >
>>>>>I recently hit upon
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>the
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > idea of
the military, was wondering if people
>>>>> >
>>>>>could offer input, horror
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > stories,
advice, warnings, etc. Anything would
>>>>> >
>>>>>be appreciated.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> > Help STOP SPAM:
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>>>>> >
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>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>        
>>>>
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>>>      
>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>>>      
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