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to: SHEPPARD GORDON
from: IVY IVERSON
date: 1998-01-05 16:49:00
subject: [2/3] Roswell Truth?

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So you continue...
 
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  DuBose's comments are significant, because they establish that there was no
substituted wreckage and that the material Marcel recovered near Roswell was
later photographed and put on display for public view in Ramey's office by
Ramey himself.
 
  I also present the testimonies of Irving Newton, who was also present that
day in Ramey's office, and Sheridan Cavitt, who helped Marcel collect the
wreckage from the ranch. After looking at the same debris photos, they
confirmed that they depict the material they recalled seeing and that no UFO
debris was ever there. In fact, both Newton and Cavitt make it very clear in
their interviews that they have been misquoted by various UFO researchers,
and they resent it.
 
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Ya, right.  No substatution, huh?
 
Ok, The Weather baloon-at-Roswell story is totally debunked... but SOMETHING
was there!
 
Are you under the mistaken impression that the military cannot intimidate
people into saying what they, (the military) WANTS them to say instead of
the facts which the people know in their own minds to be fact?  And if the
pople happen to have security clearances, the military has an almost
infallible hold on them.
 
Then you say:
 
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  The other parts of The Roswell UFO Crash: What They Don't Want You to Know
expose the two cases where alleged physical metallic fragments were recovered
and scientifically analyzed. In both instances, thorough analyses revealed
that none of the fragments were extraterrestrial in origin.
 
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OK, let's dig into known physics for a moment here.  There are 90-some
natural elements, plus a few more that are manmade in atom smashers.
Would not these same elements be found anywhere in the universe?  Sure,
they can be combined in different ways to create different materials, but
when skeptibunkers say, "There is no evidence that this material is
extraterrestrial," I have to groan and say, "How the #e!! would they know
THAT?  It's got to be made from the same elements we have here on Earth!"
 
And then you go on:
 
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... They refer to a top-secret
"Operation Majestic-12," supposedly created by President Truman to analyze
the Roswell crashed saucer and aliens. Skeptic Phil Klass and others have
shown this to be a hoax.
 
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As far as the MJ-12 papers, there is doubt as to their authenticity,
however there _MAY_ be some degree of truth in them. AFAIAC, the jury is
still out, and probably will be for many more years.
 
Philip Klass has been shown to be as much of a fraud as you claim Marcel
to have been.  Klass is dismissed!
 
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  One of the last chapters in my book examines the infamous alien autopsy
film and presents a myriad of reasons why it is a hoax. Also described are
some behind-the-scenes details about the production and many of the games
that were played on Fox TV by the films promoter, Ray Santilli.
 
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On THIS we agree 110%!  ...Alien organs courtesy of Owens Sausage.  :-/
 
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... the final chapter makes it very clear that the UFO field has suffered
in credibility because of Roswell and especially because of the
unprofessional and shoddy "standards" of evidence the Roswell authors have
practiced.
 
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Yes, Virginia, there ARE UFO supporters out there, (who shall remain
nameless for now), who have manufactured evidence of all kinds in an
effort to support their claims.  To use Ross Sauer's analogy, "It's like
digging through a pile of (dung) to find the diamond hidden therein."
But is it not also true that skeptibunkers have done the same thing?  To
quote a tagline I have, "Skeptic's Cleaver: Hack off any nonconforming
evidence."  In other words, Occum's Razor does NOT hack just the bull...
it can also be used to hack off whatever the person weilding it chooses
not to believe.  Can you deny this?
 
And then you go on... and on...
 
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  Although I didn't relish wording the last paragraph in my book the way I
did, I had to call things as I see them. This paragraph reads: "The time has
come for the UFO community to take an honest look at itself in the mirror
concerning Roswell. If and when they ever decide to do this, they will see
for the first time that they have two black eyes and a huge hole in their
head. All of which have been self-inflicted."
 
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I agree that you "gotta call 'em as you see 'em," however your opinion,
(Yes, OPINION!), based upon YOUR research on the subject, (and your use
of Occum's Razor - see reference 2 paragraphs up), does not necessarily
guarentee that YOUR version of what happened at Roswell is the total,
100%, absoloute facts!  For all _I_ know, you could be working for the
 
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