From: "Adam Flinton" 


"George Sherwood"  wrote in message
news:pan.2003.03.05.11.45.41.110390{at}beernabeer.com...
> On Wed, 05 Mar 2003 09:10:06 +0000, Adam Flinton wrote:
>
> > Heck you were losing all sorts of aircraft over vietnam at that
> > time.....does that mean that sending an aircraft carrier into the south
> > china sea means the same thing now as it did then (say to the people in
> > Hanoi)?
>
> What?  I don't understand what the conflict in Vietnam has to do with NK
> shooting down an aircraft in international waters.
> >

Same time period & yet why therefore isn't vietnam really really
nervous every time a US carrier enters the south china sea (in
international waters)? both the constellation & the pueblo are some
time ago

> >> > Brushing the borders.....in & out...
> >>
> >> You are just making a statement with no proof.  It doesn't have
anything
> >> to do with this case.  We don't cross NK borders.  You don't violate
> >> territorial airspace.  Your repeated saying we are doing this won't
make
> > it so.
> >> >
> >
> > OK. I'm sure you wouldn't do that in a P3.
> >
> > Why, when you could send an unmanned drone.
>
> Unless you are in combat in that area, you aren't going to send in an
> ummanned drone either.  You have watched way too many movies.
> >

Come on. Look at all the history of the sr-71 & how many sams have been
fired to little/no effect. Why fire the missiles if no overflight? &
then there was the arab-isreali conflicts in whihc the US was not "in
combat".

http://www.wvi.com/~lelandh/kadena2.html

"
  a.. Throughout the Det 1's operational missions, Surface to Air Missiles
were fired at the Blackbirds in an attempt to bring down one of the
Reconnaissance Planes. At times, SAM's were fired in salvos but as
"Kelly" Johnson stated: "Over 1,000 missiles has been fired
at the Blackbird without a loss of Plane or Crew".  Superior DEF
electronics and Habu Crew skills certainly contributed to the success and
accomplishment of the Operational Sorties.
  b.. During the 22 years that Kadena Det 1 operations were in effect,
Operational missions were flown to Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, North
Korea, airspace off the USSR and China. In addition, four 11 hour flights
to the Persian Gulf occurred during the Iran-Iraq War in 1987 and 1988. A
total of 2,410 SR-71 missions were flown from first deployment in 1968 to
Detachment 1 closure in 1990."

Note "airspace off the USSR and China" vs "to Vietnam, Laos,
Cambodia, Thailand, North Korea,"

> > But re "it doesn't make it so"...how would one get
these sorts of photos
:
> >
> > http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/vn_crb2.htm
> >
> > http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/vn_crb1.htm
>
> Those look like satellite shots to me.  I will say again, no one was
> overflying Vietnam or any other country in 1987.
>

noone was overflying the SU until gary powers got downed either.

Adam

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