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echo:	trade_wars
to:	All
from:	col sanders
date:	2003-01-13 14:24:20
subject:	Re: OT Military
I can accept our disagreement until the last paragraph where you sound crazier than I do... heh, execute all illegal immigrants? heheheh you're nuts . Col Sanders Cherokee wrote: >Neither Waco nor Ruby Ridge were handled appropriately, but both of >those events occurred before that USA Patriot act, so I don't see how >they apply to your argument. And in both cases, serious violations of >the law transpired before the "illegal invasions". > >You call me naive, I call you paranoid. Do I care if the federal >government wants to wiretap my house and read my email? Not a bit, let >them knock themselves out. If in exchange, I am better protected from >some lunatic who plans to blow up my building, then that is more than a >fair trade. > >If at some point down the line someone tries to use some of that >"intelligence" against me, let them try, I have done nothing wrong. > >One of our biggest problems is our lack border security and weak >immigration controls. The Soviet Union had absolutely NO trouble with >illegal immigrants because everyone knew they would be shot if they >were caught in the USSR illegally. > >Do I care about the rights of some illegal Arab immigrant that has been >arrested and held indefinitely? Not at all, These people are not U.S. >Citizens, they are not protected by our Constitution. They "invaded" >our country and should be executed. > >--- col sanders wrote: > > >>It really goes beyond that, to things like Waco and Ruby Ridge, >>neither >>of which was a legal invasion, at least at the very beginning. But >>by >>your comments I do think you are being naive. I guess there really >>is >>no argument beyond that... >> >>Cherokee wrote: >> >> >> >>>I don't think we are in any danger of seeing Joe McCarthy the >>> >>> >>sequel. >> >> >>>If I am wronged by someone in a position of power, I have adequate >>>recourse to defend myself. >>> >>>My answer to your fear of someone extorting you by using something >>>ambarrassing... don't do anything to be embarrassed about. >>> >>>If you already have, let them reveal it rather than allow yourself >>> >>> >>to >> >> >>>be blackmailed. If you run for Governor, your deep dark secrets are >>>sure to be exposed. :) >>> >>>--- col sanders wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Well, I have been pulled over for having pro-gun bumper stickers, >>>> >>>> >>and >> >> >>>>then interrogates on the side of the road by 3 cruiser's worth of >>>>State >>>>Troopers. All of this because of my bumper stickers. I was not >>>>even >>>>given a ticket. Add to the loss of privacy, the databases they are >>>> >>>> >>>>compiling, (read about the return of John Tower to the pentagon and >>>>his >>>>database project) and you have the potential for abuse that dwarfs >>>>what >>>>Hoover was acused of. I go to Church, I attend rallies (like the >>>> >>>> >>one >> >> >>>>on >>>>Wednesday) and have entertained the idea of running for Governor or >>>>some >>>>other state position. I am ambitious and hope to do well >>>>professionally. While not alive then, I have read about Mcarthy >>>> >>>> >>and >> >> >>>>the >>>>Red scare, I read about the lives he ruined. I am familiar with >>>> >>>> >>the >> >> >>>>allegtions about Hoover and his own extortion using embarassing >>>> >>>> >>info >> >> >>>>about people to his own ends. I can find ALOT to be afraid of, and >>>>it >>>>tends to be a result of people ignoring the bill of rights and >>>>passing >>>>laws that give the government powers that would not have even >>>> >>>> >>helped >> >> >>>>them stop any terrorist attacks in the first place. You may >>>> >>>> >>naively >> >> >>>>believe that every person in power will both be on your side, and >>>>also >>>>be so good as to not misuse their power. Look at history, look at >>>>the >>>>whole reason for the Bill of Rights in the first place. >>>> >>>>Col Sanders >>>> >>>>Cherokee wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Just read that article. Not a single line concerns me in the >>>>> >>>>> >>least. >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>What specifically are YOU afraid of that inhibits your personal >>>>>freedoms? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>--- col sanders wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Here are some specifics on the Patriot Act if you really are >>>>>>interested... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism_militias/20011031_eff_usa_ patriot_analysis.html >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>col sanders wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>My concerns are that while I don't necessarily fear anything >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>from >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>current administration, weakening the Bill of Rights for future >>>>>>>administrations is quite dangerous, if for example we got >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>another >> >> >>>>>>>Clinton type in office, imagine the danger to those of us that >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>are >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>not >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>secularly mainstream. The USA Patriot act is bad, ignoring due >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>process >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>is bad, the DMCA is bad. I am still hoping they will have the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>balls to >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>reverse the bad law the first Bush signed regarding "assault >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>weapons". >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>They also need to reopen the streets in DC, the great Coward >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>(Clinton) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>should be the last coward, let DC return to pre-Clinton >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>normalcy. >> >> >>>>>>>Regarding the need to fight a war, let me ask you this, do you >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>really >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>believe that the US can do ANYTHING that will met by the radical >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>muslim/arab terrorist groups backing off? Is that even possible >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>at >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>this >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>point? I don't believe so... Maybe you do... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Cherokee wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Agreed, people don't HAVE to be searched, it is voluntary (only >>>>>>>>compulsory if you wish to fly on an airliner). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that we need to fight >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>a >> >> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>war, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>though it probably will come to that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I don't see why you are frightened by the President's "recent >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>record on >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>liberty". What are you afraid of (specifically)? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>--- col sanders wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>We can get into a discussion of how it all started when the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>great >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>Communist FDR blackmailed the supreme court to misinterpret >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>the >> >> >>>>>>>>>Commerce >>>>>>>>>Clause, and how that led to the regulation of EVERYTHING >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>including >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>airlines and the great loss of freedoms we enjoy today... But >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>why >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>over-complicate things. The airlines are private industry. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>They >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>are >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>regulated, as is EVERYTHING these days. Americans are STUPID >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>need >>>>>>>>>to be protected from themselves (not my opinion, the opinion >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>of >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>thsoe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>in >>>>>>>>>power). People don't have to be searched they can ride >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>amtrak >> >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>if >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>they >>>>>>>>>object so much (for foreigners, thats the train). Anyway, let >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>not >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>confuse things, do we need to fight a war in the middle east, >>>>>>>>>probably. >>>>>>>>>Is the Bush Admin's recent record on liberty frightening, yes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>Are >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>>two related, no. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Cherokee wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>That is oversimplified. It is not the airlines mandating the >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>searches. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In fact, the airlines are no longer able to employ their own >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>security >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>personnel. The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>is >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>new >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>government agency handling airport security, and we DO in >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>fact >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>have >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>less freedom when flying than we used to. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Even so, I say big deal. They are working to protect planes >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>and >> >> >>>>>>>>>>passengers from terrorism. They aren't digging through your >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>luggage >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>try to find out if you cheated on your taxes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>--- col sanders wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Being able to lock your bags on an airplan has nothing to do >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>with >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>freedom. Airlines are a private company, and as such they >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>have >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>right to inspect their customers on their private property. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>So your saying that ONE SOUL ACT by non-Americans is enough >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>take >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 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January 11, 2003 11:42 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>We lost that freedom because a group of "men" took it >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>upon >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>themselves >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>to abuse the system to 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>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Sting" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:11 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR YOUR FREEDOM!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > BECAUSE IT"S NOT FREE !!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Sting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > From: "<>" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > To: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>07:27 >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT 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