I would jump in but I don' have time today , both of you can rest 
assures the answer is somewhere between the two of you.  You both seem 
to represent opposite sides but are unwilling to agree on the *facts*. 
 If you cannot do that much, you will never have agreement.

Col Sanders

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>>Israeli abuse of Palestinans? Israeli men aren't strapping themselves
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>full of explosives and shooting their way into Palestinan settlements.
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>No, but Israeli soldiers have killed hundreds of innocent Palestinians,
>in addition to lots of guilty ones. The Israeli Army occupies
>Palestinian villages and refuge camps, and supports colonization (heh,
>had to stick a TW term in here) of land that does not rightfully belong
>to Israel.  Who do you think lived in Israel before 1948?  It wasn't
>the Jews. 
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>>We should stand by Israel because they have been dealing with
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>terrorist attacks for years, and maybe, just maybe if the Arab world
>(besides Egypt and Jordan) would accept the right of Israel to exist,
>steps could be made to end the violence.
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>Israel's policies towards the Arabs have brought on the terrorist
>attacks, just as US policy in the Middle East brought on Sep 11.  I'm
>not saying terrorism is justified, far from it.  But just because
>someone is attacked by a terrorist does not mean they are right and
>that we should support their policies. What do you think would make the
>rest of the Arab world recognize Israel's right to exist?  And why do
>you think the Israelis should have the right to exist but the
>Palestinians should not?
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>>I personally believe however that there can never be peace in the
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>Middle East until "Palestinans" are gone. And why are they called
>Palestinans by everyone? They are just Arabs that happen to be living
>in that region of the Middle East.
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>So your answer is genocide of the Palestinian people?  They are called
>Palestinians because they live in Palestine, just like we are called
>Americans because we live in America. According to your logic, most
>Americans are just Europeans that happen to be living in America.  We
>should just be called Europeans, and whoever is strong enough to push
>us around and occupy our territory is justified in doing so.
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