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from: col sanders
date: 2003-01-13 14:02:48
subject: Re: OT Military

It really goes beyond that, to things like Waco and Ruby Ridge, neither 
of which was a legal invasion, at least at the very beginning.  But by 
your comments I do think you are being naive.  I guess there really is 
no argument beyond that...

Cherokee wrote:

>I don't think we are in any danger of seeing Joe McCarthy the sequel. 
>If I am wronged by someone in a position of power, I have adequate
>recourse to defend myself.
>
>My answer to your fear of someone extorting you by using something
>ambarrassing...   don't do anything to be embarrassed about.
>
>If you already have, let them reveal it rather than allow yourself to
>be blackmailed.  If you run for Governor, your deep dark secrets are
>sure to be exposed. :)
>
>--- col sanders  wrote:
>  
>
>>Well, I have been pulled over for having pro-gun bumper stickers, and
>>
>>then interrogates on the side of the road by 3 cruiser's worth of
>>State 
>>Troopers.   All of this because of my bumper stickers.  I was not
>>even 
>>given a ticket.  Add to the loss of privacy, the databases they are 
>>compiling, (read about the return of John Tower to the pentagon and
>>his 
>>database project) and you have the potential for abuse that dwarfs
>>what 
>>Hoover was acused of.  I go to Church, I attend rallies (like the one
>>on 
>>Wednesday) and have entertained the idea of running for Governor or
>>some 
>>other state position.  I am ambitious and hope to do well 
>>professionally.  While not alive then, I have read about Mcarthy and
>>the 
>>Red scare, I read about the lives he ruined.  I am familiar with the 
>>allegtions about Hoover and his own extortion using embarassing info 
>>about people to his own ends.  I can find ALOT to be afraid of, and
>>it 
>>tends to be a result of people ignoring the bill of rights and
>>passing 
>>laws that give the government powers that would not have even helped 
>>them stop any terrorist attacks in the first place.  You may naively 
>>believe that every person in power will both be on your side, and
>>also 
>>be so good as to not misuse their power.  Look at history, look at
>>the 
>>whole reason for the Bill of Rights in the first place.
>>
>>Col Sanders
>>
>>Cherokee wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Just read that article.  Not a single line concerns me in the least.
>>>      
>>>
>>>What specifically are YOU afraid of that inhibits your personal
>>>freedoms?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--- col sanders  wrote:
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Here are some specifics on the Patriot Act  if you really are
>>>>interested...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism_militias/20011031_eff_usa_p
atriot_analysis.html
>>    
>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>col sanders wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>My concerns are that while I don't necessarily fear anything from
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>the 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>current administration, weakening the Bill of Rights for future 
>>>>>administrations is quite dangerous, if for example we
got another 
>>>>>Clinton type in office, imagine the danger to those of  us that
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>are
>>    
>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>not 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>secularly mainstream.  The USA Patriot act is bad, ignoring due
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>process 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>is bad, the DMCA is bad.   I am still hoping they will have the
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>balls to 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>reverse the bad law the first Bush signed regarding "assault
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>weapons". 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>They also need to reopen the streets in DC, the great Coward
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>(Clinton) 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>should be the last coward, let DC return to pre-Clinton normalcy.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regarding the need to fight a war, let me ask you this, do you
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>really 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>believe that the US can do ANYTHING that will met by the radical 
>>>>>muslim/arab terrorist groups backing off?  Is that even possible
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>at
>>    
>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>this 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>point?  I don't believe so...  Maybe you do...
>>>>>
>>>>>Cherokee wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>Agreed, people don't HAVE to be searched, it is
voluntary (only
>>>>>>compulsory if you wish to fly on an airliner). 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that we
need to fight a
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>war,
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>though it probably will come to that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't see why you are frightened by the
President's "recent
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>record on
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>liberty".  What are you afraid of (specifically)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--- col sanders  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We can get into a discussion of how it all
started when the
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>great 
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>Communist FDR blackmailed the supreme court to
misinterpret the
>>>>>>>Commerce 
>>>>>>>Clause, and how that led to the regulation of EVERYTHING
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>including
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>airlines and the great loss of freedoms we
enjoy today... But
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>why 
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>over-complicate things.  The airlines are
private industry. 
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>They
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>are
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>>regulated, as is EVERYTHING these days. 
Americans are STUPID
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>and
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>need 
>>>>>>>to be protected from themselves (not my
opinion, the opinion of
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>thsoe
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>>in 
>>>>>>>power).  People don't *have to be searched*
they can ride amtrak
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>if
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>>they 
>>>>>>>object so much (for foreigners, thats the
train).  Anyway, let
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>not
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>confuse things, do we need to fight a war in
the middle east,
>>>>>>>probably. 
>>>>>>>Is the Bush Admin's recent record on liberty
frightening, yes. 
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>Are
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>>the 
>>>>>>>two related, no.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cherokee wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That is oversimplified.  It is not the
airlines mandating the
>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>searches.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In fact, the airlines are no longer able to
employ their own
>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>security
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>personnel.  The Transportation Security
Administration (TSA) is
>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>new
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>government agency handling airport
security, and we DO in fact
>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>have
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>>>less freedom when flying than we used to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Even so, I say big deal. They are working
to protect planes and
>>>>>>>>passengers from terrorism. They aren't
digging through your
>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>luggage
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>try to find out if you cheated on your taxes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--- col sanders  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Being able to lock your bags on an
airplan has nothing to do
>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>with 
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>freedom.  Airlines are a private
company, and as such they
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>have
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>right to inspect their customers on
their private property.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So your saying that ONE SOUL ACT by
non-Americans is enough
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>to
>>    
>>
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>take
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>away
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>some of the freedom of Americans..
>>>>>>>>>>Does this mean that "IF"
these attacks continue that more
>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>freedom
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>will be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>lost ..
>>>>>>>>>>Valid Point of View ..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>From: "sloppy"

>>>>>>>>>>To: 
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:42 PM
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>We lost that freedom because a group of "men" took it >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>upon >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>themselves >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>to abuse the system to achieve their goal of killing American >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>civilians. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>That's not the point either .. >>>>>>>>>>>>Talk about freedom .. what happened to the >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>freedom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>of >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>locking your bags .. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>When you fly now bags stay unlocked .. >>>>>>>>>>>>Killing someone doesnt "Give" freedom either >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>.. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>so >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>you just >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 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> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>> > From: "<>" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > To: >>>>>>>>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 07:27 >>>>>>>>>>>> > Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > I dont think that's his point >>>>>>>>>>>> > > When it comes down to it you have >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>be >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>able to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>handle killing someone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > else >>>>>>>>>>>> > > just because it's the political >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>thing >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>do .. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>If you cant handle that >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Idea >>>>>>>>>>>> > > then you shouldnt be in the >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>military >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>(Regardless >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>of position) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > my .02 >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>> > > From: "pagan" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > To: >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>12:14 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>Military >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > You would be surprized to >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>know >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>that >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>overwhelming majority of >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>service >>>>>>>>>>>> > > men and women never fire a shot >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>outside >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>of basic >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>training or a firing >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > range. >>>>>>>>>>>> > > In fact, there are more >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>opportunities >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>save >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>lives or make living >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > conditions more habitable than to >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>take >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Yes, even in an all out war >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > situation. >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Pagan >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >From a message by >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>prestone >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>about >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Re: OT >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 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>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>sloppy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>about OT >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Military: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > With an anticipated >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>graduation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>from college in December, I've 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