It really goes beyond that, to things like Waco and Ruby Ridge, neither
of which was a legal invasion, at least at the very beginning. But by
your comments I do think you are being naive. I guess there really is
no argument beyond that...
Cherokee wrote:
>I don't think we are in any danger of seeing Joe McCarthy the sequel.
>If I am wronged by someone in a position of power, I have adequate
>recourse to defend myself.
>
>My answer to your fear of someone extorting you by using something
>ambarrassing... don't do anything to be embarrassed about.
>
>If you already have, let them reveal it rather than allow yourself to
>be blackmailed. If you run for Governor, your deep dark secrets are
>sure to be exposed. :)
>
>--- col sanders wrote:
>
>
>>Well, I have been pulled over for having pro-gun bumper stickers, and
>>
>>then interrogates on the side of the road by 3 cruiser's worth of
>>State
>>Troopers. All of this because of my bumper stickers. I was not
>>even
>>given a ticket. Add to the loss of privacy, the databases they are
>>compiling, (read about the return of John Tower to the pentagon and
>>his
>>database project) and you have the potential for abuse that dwarfs
>>what
>>Hoover was acused of. I go to Church, I attend rallies (like the one
>>on
>>Wednesday) and have entertained the idea of running for Governor or
>>some
>>other state position. I am ambitious and hope to do well
>>professionally. While not alive then, I have read about Mcarthy and
>>the
>>Red scare, I read about the lives he ruined. I am familiar with the
>>allegtions about Hoover and his own extortion using embarassing info
>>about people to his own ends. I can find ALOT to be afraid of, and
>>it
>>tends to be a result of people ignoring the bill of rights and
>>passing
>>laws that give the government powers that would not have even helped
>>them stop any terrorist attacks in the first place. You may naively
>>believe that every person in power will both be on your side, and
>>also
>>be so good as to not misuse their power. Look at history, look at
>>the
>>whole reason for the Bill of Rights in the first place.
>>
>>Col Sanders
>>
>>Cherokee wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Just read that article. Not a single line concerns me in the least.
>>>
>>>
>>>What specifically are YOU afraid of that inhibits your personal
>>>freedoms?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--- col sanders wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Here are some specifics on the Patriot Act if you really are
>>>>interested...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism_militias/20011031_eff_usa_p
atriot_analysis.html
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>col sanders wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>My concerns are that while I don't necessarily fear anything from
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>current administration, weakening the Bill of Rights for future
>>>>>administrations is quite dangerous, if for example we
got another
>>>>>Clinton type in office, imagine the danger to those of us that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>are
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>not
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>secularly mainstream. The USA Patriot act is bad, ignoring due
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>process
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>is bad, the DMCA is bad. I am still hoping they will have the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>balls to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>reverse the bad law the first Bush signed regarding "assault
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>weapons".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>They also need to reopen the streets in DC, the great Coward
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>(Clinton)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>should be the last coward, let DC return to pre-Clinton normalcy.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regarding the need to fight a war, let me ask you this, do you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>really
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>believe that the US can do ANYTHING that will met by the radical
>>>>>muslim/arab terrorist groups backing off? Is that even possible
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>at
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>this
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>point? I don't believe so... Maybe you do...
>>>>>
>>>>>Cherokee wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Agreed, people don't HAVE to be searched, it is
voluntary (only
>>>>>>compulsory if you wish to fly on an airliner).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that we
need to fight a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>war,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>though it probably will come to that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't see why you are frightened by the
President's "recent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>record on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>liberty". What are you afraid of (specifically)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--- col sanders wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We can get into a discussion of how it all
started when the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>great
>>
>>
>>>>>>>Communist FDR blackmailed the supreme court to
misinterpret the
>>>>>>>Commerce
>>>>>>>Clause, and how that led to the regulation of EVERYTHING
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>including
>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>airlines and the great loss of freedoms we
enjoy today... But
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>why
>>
>>
>>>>>>>over-complicate things. The airlines are
private industry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>They
>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>are
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>regulated, as is EVERYTHING these days.
Americans are STUPID
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>>>>>need
>>>>>>>to be protected from themselves (not my
opinion, the opinion of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>thsoe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>power). People don't *have to be searched*
they can ride amtrak
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>if
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>they
>>>>>>>object so much (for foreigners, thats the
train). Anyway, let
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>not
>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>confuse things, do we need to fight a war in
the middle east,
>>>>>>>probably.
>>>>>>>Is the Bush Admin's recent record on liberty
frightening, yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>Are
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>two related, no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cherokee wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That is oversimplified. It is not the
airlines mandating the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>searches.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In fact, the airlines are no longer able to
employ their own
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>security
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>personnel. The Transportation Security
Administration (TSA) is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>new
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>government agency handling airport
security, and we DO in fact
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>less freedom when flying than we used to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Even so, I say big deal. They are working
to protect planes and
>>>>>>>>passengers from terrorism. They aren't
digging through your
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>luggage
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>try to find out if you cheated on your taxes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--- col sanders wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Being able to lock your bags on an
airplan has nothing to do
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>with
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>freedom. Airlines are a private
company, and as such they
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>have
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>right to inspect their customers on
their private property.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So your saying that ONE SOUL ACT by
non-Americans is enough
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>take
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>away
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>some of the freedom of Americans..
>>>>>>>>>>Does this mean that "IF"
these attacks continue that more
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>freedom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>will be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>lost ..
>>>>>>>>>>Valid Point of View ..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>From: "sloppy"
>>>>>>>>>>To:
>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:42 PM
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>We lost that freedom
because a group of "men" took it
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>upon
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>themselves
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>to abuse the system to achieve
their goal of killing American
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>civilians.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>That's
not the point either ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>Talk
about freedom .. what happened to the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>freedom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>locking your bags ..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>When
you fly now bags stay unlocked ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>Killing
someone doesnt "Give" freedom either
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>..
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>so
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>you just
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>completely came
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>out
and said something that's just way out
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>there
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>-----
Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>From:
"Sting"
>>>>>>>>>>>>To:
>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent:
Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:11 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject:
[twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR YOUR FREEDOM!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> BECAUSE IT"S NOT FREE !!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Sting
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> From: "<>"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> To:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 07:27
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT Military
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > I dont think that's his point
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > When it comes down to it you have
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>be
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>able to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>handle killing someone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > just because it's the political
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>thing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>do ..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If you cant handle that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > then you shouldnt be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>military
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>(Regardless
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>of position)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > my .02
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > From: "pagan"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > To:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>12:14
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Subject: [twgsdotorg] Re: OT
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>Military
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > You would be surprized to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>know
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>overwhelming majority of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>service
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > men and women never fire a shot
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>outside
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>of basic
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>training or a firing
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> range.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > In fact, there are more
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>opportunities
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>save
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>lives or make living
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > conditions more habitable than to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>take
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yes, even in an all out war
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > situation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > Pagan
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >From a message by
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>prestone
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>about
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Re: OT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Military:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > as long as you don't
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>have
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>problem
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>killing your fellow human
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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