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to: JEFF SNYDER
from: Lee Lofaso
date: 2009-05-14 19:23:00
subject: Eternal Damnation & 2/2

>>> Continued from previous message

JS>Lee, if the concept of "Eternal Damnation" is Satanic, as you claim,
JS>are you thus suggesting that Jesus is Satanic; after all, He clearly
JS>used the phrase in that verse. It's right there before your very
JS>eyes.

False teaching, or speaking falsely in Jesus' name, is Satanic.
The phrase has nothing to do with hell or how long hell lasts, but
rather about allegiance.

JS>So, what does "eternal" mean in that verse? According to
the Greek lexicon,
JS>it is derived from the word "aionios", which it defines as
the following:
JS>1)without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
JS>2)without beginning
JS>3)without end, never to cease, everlasting

Anything that has a beginning has a definite end.  Even if it is a rock.
As such, nothing lasts forever.  Not hell.  Not earth.  Not heaven.  Not
any creation by man or by God.

JS>Putting the meanings of those two words together, we arrive at the
JS>conclusion that "Eternal Damnation" means a judgment, a condemnation,
JS>a sentence, which stands forever, and cannot ever be changed. It is a
JS>judgment and sentence which will never cease.

Jesus said all will be forgiven.  All sins.  Not some or most.  ALL.
Of course, first one has to repent in order to be forgiven.  Ask, and
you shall receive.  Knock, and the door will be opened.

JS>As we read in the Old Testament:
JS>". . . For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven."
JS>Psalms 119:89, KJV
JS>"I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever:
nothing can be put
JS>to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear
JS>before him."
JS>Ecclesiastes 3:14, KJV
JS>So when God passes a judgment or sentence, that's it! There is no changing
JS>it. It stands forever, and that is exactly what "Eternal
Damnation" is.

"God is love." 1 John 4:8, 16

Jesus came into this world so that all our sins may be forgiven.
Not just some or many, but all.  That is the God of love Jesus preached.
And that is exactly what Mark 3:29 is saying, when read in proper
context.

JS>So based on the definitions provided by the Greek lexicon, as well as the
JS>previous verses, and what Jesus clearly taught in Mark 3:29, the concept of
JS>"Eternal Damnation" is in fact a very Scriptural doctrine,
which for some
JS>strange reason, you, Lee, deny...and that is why I stated that you are
JS>clearly preaching a false doctrine. The very Bible is a witness against what
JS>you are saying.

Jesus was preaching a false doctrine?  I don't think so...

JS>The idea of God's judgments and sentences, (or damnation), being
JS>everlasting, eternal, and unchangeable, is likewise confirmed in the Book of
JS>Daniel. Consider what the Lord had Daniel write:
JS>"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to
JS>everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."
JS>Daniel 12:2, KJV
JS>It looks to me like Daniel and Jesus are BOTH saying the same thing, Lee.
JS>Some people will be held in contempt, and abhorred for all of eternity, or
JS>do you deny the Scriptures?

Like I said, nobody goes to hell.  The reward is everlasting life.
The punishment is total nothingness.  Which is not really punishment,
but rather the lack of a reward.  :)

JS>The Bible is the Authoritative Source for what we believe as Christians. It
JS>protects us from going astray in our understanding, and even then, we still
JS>don't always get things right, because we are all, after all, only human.
JS>But that is why the Bible is the center piece of this echo, and NOT the
JS>works written by other men. We Christians should use the Bible just as a
JS>lawyer would use a legal document, or a doctor would refer to a medical
JS>journal, or a politician might refer to a historical document.
JS>So what I am saying is basically this: if anyone doesn't agree with my point
JS>of view, that is your right; but if you really wish to convince me of your
JS>view, then you need to do it by pointing me directly to verses in the Bible.
JS>You need to validate your position from the Scriptures. Period.

I reckon this old heretic will not be getting the same reward as found
in Jeff's Bible.  :)

--Lee


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