On (16 Nov 05) LEE LOFASO wrote to GEORGE POPE...
 LL> Peter was a hothead, getting in bar fights and killing at least two
 LL> people.  And Paul hated Christians, to the point of murdering
 LL> thousands
 LL> of them.

Paul, duh, but where do you get that about Peter?

 LL> GP>And Peter, Paul, and the rest of the post-crucifixion apostles, who
 LL> GP>agreed that three laws remain in effect for all Christians:
 LL> GP>-not to murder
 LL>
 LL> Oh, well.  I guess both Peter and Paul have gone to Hell.

Possibly, along with a lot of others!

According to some of the earliest Christians, Jesus himself went to
hell!

 LL> GP>-not to commit adultery
 LL>
 LL> Some folks say Peter was married.  And quite a womanizer.

Which folks?  Based on what?

 LL> Some folks say Paul was gay, and had a problem with women.

It's obvious he had issues with women (what with getting all his Xian
training from a woman then denying anybody else that honor!) and there
was a book out in the mid 1990's that suggested that Paul's "thorn" was
homosexuality. . .

 LL> GP>laws regarding respect of animal life, in not eating the life's
 LL> blood,
 LL> GP>and of burying the blood)
 LL>
 LL> I guess that means all Cajuns are going to Hell, given some of the
 LL> foods
 LL> we eat.

Well, it depends on how worried God is about this particular detail this
4,000+ years since He set that rule down to Noah!

 LL> Peter killed at least two men.  Paul killed thousands of men, women
 LL> and children.  And yet, both are considered saints.

Jesus was a blaspheming hypocrit, and yet, he's considered GOD!!!

 LL> The first three commandments are what we owe God.  The next seven
 LL> commandments deal with man's relationship with his fellow man.  Jesus

Actually, it's a 5-5 split!

The front half of the tablets(laws 1-5) dealt with a sampling of
commandments pertaining to God & man; the back half(laws 6-10) dealt
with a sampling of commandments applicable to man-man interactions. . .

 LL> put things in a more succinct manner, citing two commandments - love
 LL> God, and love your neighbor as yourself.  If you love God, you will
 LL> love your neighbor.  And you already love yourself.

Yeah, that was a fair summation, even though very much not understood
nor followed.

He said to love God with ALL your mind, ALL your strength, and ALL your
heart -- so if you have even one minute in your life when you've not
actively loved God with everything that is you, you've committed the
gravest sin (in breaching the greatest commandment, you've obviously
committed the greatest sin!)

So that certainly makes all the other sins we point fingers about to
others pale in comparison, eh?

 LL> citing the entire ten commandments in summation.  However, Jesus said
 LL> that was not enough.  There was one other thing one must do.  "Come,
 LL> follow me."  I'll let you figure out what He meant by that.

Pretty plain -- drop everyyhing & live the life of a moral Jew!
Which made sense, as he was speaking to Jews (He intended the gospel
first for the Jews, then the crumbs for the rest of the world, as in his
own words!)

 LL> GP>And this sounds like something that fits in with who God is?
 LL> GP>This also sounds to you like something Jesus preached/exemplified?
 LL>
 LL> "Love one another, as I have loved you."
 LL> - Jesus, citing The 11th Commandment

Did Jesus murder, lie, fornicate, et al?

And that's not the 11th, but the first & second commandment, according
to Jesus' words!

 LL> GP>He wasn't addressing murderers, adulterers, etc., but perhaps
 LL> FORMER all
 LL> GP>those. . .
 LL>
 LL> Paul addressed EVERYONE, especially sinners.


Not in every speech -- he sometimes made the clear point that he was
addressing those who had already sincerely repented ("...for that is
what you ONCE WERE...")

 LL> Paul addressed Jews, Christians, Greeks, Romans, atheists, you name
 LL> it.

Not always, for instance, when he specifically says, "and this is the
teaching for all the churches.." he's obviously only referring to those
who are regenerated members of the new covenant. . .

He certainly was speaking to all in offering the promise of salvation,
but he never contradicted Jesus' words ("for many are called, but few
are chosen") so when he preached to the membership it was different than
the general call for newcomers!

 LL> Who did Jesus cite as His authority?  What rabbi, or rabbinical school
 LL> of thought?  Or did He make everything up, all on His own?

He had clearly received the prevalent oral traditions (eg. in giving a
blessing of God before breaking bread)

And he, like Paul, was a Pharisee, according to the traditions of
Gamaliel. . .

Because I care,
<+]::-{)}  (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))

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