Hello George,

>LL>Zionist refers to a late 19th Century political movement, designed
>LL>to bring about the creation of a modern Jewish state.  Once that goal
>LL>had been achieved, in 1948, the Zionist movement should have been
>LL>disbanded.  But it wasn't.  Instead, Jews chose to continue their
>LL>pursuit of Zionism, to expand their "modern Jewish
state" to include
>LL>all of Palestine, and even the entire Middle East region.

GP>Where DO you get your information?

Real history books.

GP>Look at the NAME of the movement, that's all the CLUE you need: ZIONist
GP>-- as in MOUNT ZION (as in IN ISRAEL!))

Religious propaganda is not historical fact.

>LL>The early Zionists wanted Uganda as their "Israel". 
Later, through
>LL>illegal immigration to Palestine, Zionists figured they could steal
>LL>Palestine instead.

GP>What "steal"?  There's never NOT been a Jewish presence in
"Palestine"
GP>Land they BOUGHT from those who were squatting on the land previously
GP>stolen from the Jews!

Modern arhaeologists agree that Egyptians and Canaanites inhabited
Palestine from the earliest recorded days of history, 3000 B.C. to
1700 B.C.  The Egyptians and Canaanites were followed by the other
occupiers, such as the Hyksos, Hittites, and Philistines.  It's
funny that the Hebrew period of rule came LATER, starting only in
1020 B.C. and lasting until 587 B.C.  Then Palestine was overrun
by the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Egyptians, and Syrians.
Then came the Hebrew Maccabeans, who held partial rule in 164 B.C.
A century later, in 63 B.C., the Roman Empire conquered Palestine,
including Jerusalem, and destroyed the Jews' beloved Second Temple
in 70 A.D., scattering the remaining Jews to the winds.

IOW, the Jews only controlled Palestine for about 600 years of the
past 5000 years of Palestine's recorded history.  Hardly a claim of
legitimate ownership.  Especially since the Canaanites, Egyptians,
Muslims, or Romans controlled Palestine for a much longer period
of time.

>LL>The Jews were slaves in the land of Egypt.  Maybe one can make
>LL>the argument that Egypt belongs to the Jews, given that Pharaoh
>LL>is no longer around.  But even that is a stretch.

>LL>The Jews do not have an exclusive claim to the land of Palestine.
>LL>Palestine belongs to the original inhabitants of the land.  And those
>LL>inhabitants are known today as Palestinians.

GP>Bullcrap!  All through the past 2,000 years the "Palestinians" were
GP>universally understood to refer to "Jews"!

The Jews never controlled any part of Palestine during the past 2000
years, except for the period 1948 to present.  IOW, less than 60 years.

GP>There were a few wandering Arab nomads, who did not consider the land
GP>theirs (they didn't settle ANYWHERE, they just crapped on wherever they
GP>visited, then left)

On May 14, 1948, a group of 37 Jews got together in Tel Aviv and
declared Israel's independence as a "natural and historic right."
The only problem with their statement was that they did not represent
the majority population of Palestine, who happened to be Arabs and
Muslim.  In fact, only one member of that group of 37 Jews had been
born in Palestine.  So what you are saying, or suggesting, is that
a handful of "wandering Jews" created the state of Israel, intended
to be for Jews only.

--Lee


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